3:10 to Yuma (2007)

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    • 3:10 to Yuma (2007)

      3:10 TO YUMA
      (2007)

      DIRECTED BY JAMES MANGOLD
      PRODUCED BY STUART M. BESSER
      LIONSGATE/ THREE FILMS
      RELATIVITY MEDIA. YUMA



      Information from IMDb

      Plot Summary
      Rancher Dan Evans heads into Bisbee to clear up issues concerning
      the sale of his land when he witnesses the closing events of a s
      tagecoach robbery led by famed outlaw Ben Wade.
      Shortly thereafter, Wade is captured by the law in Bisbee and Evans
      finds himself one of the escorts who will take Wade to the
      3:10 to Yuma train in Contention for the reward of $200.
      Evans's effort to take Wade to the station is in part an effort
      to save his land but also part of an inner battle to determine
      whether he can be more than just a naive rancher in the eyes
      of his impetuous and gunslinging son William Evans.
      The transport to Contention is hazardous and filled
      with ambushes by Indians, pursuits by Wade's vengeful gang
      and Wade's own conniving and surreptitious demeanor
      that makes the ride all the more intense.
      Written by commanderblue

      Full Cast
      Russell Crowe ... Ben Wade
      Christian Bale ... Dan Evans
      Logan Lerman ... William Evans
      Dallas Roberts ... Grayson Butterfield
      Ben Foster ... Charlie Prince
      Peter Fonda ... Byron McElroy
      Vinessa Shaw ... Emma Nelson
      Alan Tudyk ... Doc Potter
      Luce Rains ... Marshal Weathers
      Gretchen Mol ... Alice Evans
      Lennie Loftin ... Glen Hollander
      Rio Alexander ... Campos
      Johnny Whitworth ... Darden
      Shawn Howell ... Jackson (as Shawn D. Howell)
      Pat Ricotti ... Jorgensen
      Ramon Frank ... Kinter
      Deryle J. Lujan ... Nez (as Deryle Lujan)
      James 'Scotty' Augare ... Nez (as James Augure)
      Brian Duffy ... Sutherland
      Jason Rodriguez ... Tighe
      Kevin Durand ... Tucker
      Chris Browning ... Crawley
      Chad Brummett ... Kane
      Forrest Fyre ... Walter Boles
      Luke Wilson ... Zeke
      Benjamin Petry ... Mark Evans (as Ben Petry)
      Arron Shiver ... Bill Moons
      Sean Hennigan ... Marshal Will Doane
      Girard Swan ... Deputy Harvey Pell
      Christopher Berry ... Deputy Sam Fuller
      David Oliver ... Evil Bartender
      Jason Henning ... Train Clerk
      Barbara Bartleson ... Contention Woman (uncredited)
      James Blackburn ... Gunfighter (uncredited)
      Brian Brown ... Bad Guy #1 (uncredited)
      Trevor Coppola ... William Marsh (uncredited)
      Harp Corrigan ... Bisbee Townsman (uncredited)
      Hugh Elliot ... Gunman (uncredited)
      Darren Gibson ... Gunman (uncredited)
      KC King ... Contention Gunman (uncredited)
      Melinda Kramer ... Bisbee Townsperson (uncredited)
      Brent Lambert ... Merchant (uncredited)
      Billy Lockwood ... Gunman (uncredited)
      J. Nathan Simmons ... Town Drunk (uncredited)
      Art Usher ... Contention Gunman (uncredited)

      Produced
      Stuart M. Besser .... executive producer (as Stuart Besser)
      Dixie J. Capp .... associate producer
      Aaron Downing .... associate producer
      Ryan Kavanaugh .... executive producer
      Cathy Konrad .... producer
      Lynwood Spinks .... executive producer

      Writing Credits
      Halsted Welles (screenplay) and
      Michael Brandt (screenplay) &
      Derek Haas (screenplay)
      Elmore Leonard (short story)

      Original Music
      Marco Beltrami

      Cinematography
      Phedon Papamichael

      Trivia
      Russell Crowe was director James Mangold's very first choice for the role of Ben Wade. After Tom Cruise dropped out of talks for the film, putting it into turnaround, it was the casting of Crowe that got the production back up and running.

      Russell Crowe, director James Mangold, and producer Cathy Konrad unanimously preferred Christian Bale as the co-lead.

      Eric Bana was in initial negotiations to star opposite Tom Cruise in this film.

      The weekend before shooting was scheduled to wrap, a freak storm dumped nearly 2 feet of snow on the supposedly drought plagued town. Labourers shoveled the snow from the buildings' balconies and roofs and distributed 89 dump trucks worth of dry soil on the ground. Backhoes created an 8 foot tall rampart of snow just beyond camera sight lines for the remaining 6 days of shooting.

      The movie was funded in conjunction with New Mexico's Film Investment Program.

      The short story upon which the film is based was published in Dime Western Magazine in 1953. The action begins in the hotel room with a deputy sheriff guarding a 21-year-old robber.

      A building in the town of Contention reads "Besser's Parlor." The executive producer is Stuart M. Besser.

      The bird sketched by Russell Crowe's character is an auger buzzard, native to Africa.

      The pistol used by Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is an 1851 navy colt with a Richards-Mason conversion.

      Dan Evans uses a Spencer carbine chambered for .56-56, a Colt 1851 navy revolver with a Richards-Mason conversion to fire cartridges (identical to the revolver carried by William), and a Remington 1889 sawed off shotgun. Ben Wade uses a Colt 1873 single action Chambered for .45 Long Colt, with a gold crucifix inlaid in the ebony grips. Charlie Prince carries two 1869 Smith and Wesson Schofields, chambered in .45 S&W, with custom cross-draw holsters. Byron McElroy carries the same 1889 shotgun Evans later uses. The coach in the beginning of the movie is fitted with a Colt Gatling gun, and the two shooters inside have Winchester 1873 rifles chambered in .44-40 caliber.

      The unfinished buildings that Wade and Evans run through in the climatic shootout in the town of Contention were originally supposed to be fully finished, but production ran too low on money to have them completed.

      The short, dark-bearded man whom the doctor hits in the face with a shovel, in the tunnels, is the weapons expert for the film.

      At one point, Tom Cruise and Eric Bana were pursuing the starring roles in this film. But when Columbia Pictures put this film in turnaround, the actors left to pursue other projects.

      When Russell Crowe was no longer committed to Baz Luhrmann's next film, he actively pursued this film as his next project. James Mangold immediately signed Crowe when Tom Cruise, who was in talks to play Ben Wade, bowed out.

      Russell Crowe suggested Alan Tudyk for the role of the doctor that assists Dan Evans (Christian Bale) in sending Ben Wade (Crowe) off to trial.

      Exactly ten minutes pass in the movie between the clock striking 3:00 and the arrival of the train.

      Director James Mangold originally wanted Kris Kristofferson as Byron MacElroy, but due to scheduling conflicts Peter Fonda got the part.

      Warned about the pain of surgery, Byron MacElroy tells Doc Potter that it's not the first time he's been shot. In real life, Peter Fonda accidentally shot himself in the stomach when he was 10.

      The terse dialogue between Ben and Dan in the bar when Ben is captured is taken almost verbatim from the original film, although some of the lines have been given to the other man or its order in the conversation changed.

      One building in Contention is called "Shieffelin's Dance Hall". Ed Schieffelin was a prospector who founded the town of Tombstone, which is a neighboring city of where Contention once stood.

      In a deleted scene (included on the DVD), Ben Wade tells Byron McElroy, "I heard that your boss, Al Pinkerton, got an infection from biting his own tongue. And he died last month. Is that true?" Allan Pinkerton did die from an infected bite on his tongue, on July 1, 1884. This would place the events of the movie as occurring in August, 1884.

      Goofs
      Anachronisms
      In some of the shots of Bisbee, power lines (maybe telegraph lines) are visible on the horizon.

      When Charlie Prince enters the corral in Contention, the weathered boards are held together with shiny new nails that have a gold-colored coating.

      In the final scene where William is about to shoot Wade, a modern clothing label is visible on Wade's shirt.

      In the saloon with Wade & his gang for a victory drink: When Wades gang leaves and Wade is taking his final drink at the bar with just the bar maid there, you can see he is taking the shot from a modern day plastic disposable shot glass, yet when he sets it on the bar it makes the sound of a glass shot glass.

      There are dialogue references to "gunslingers", a term which did not exist until the 1920s. At the time of the film, such men would have been referred to as "shootists", "pistoleers", or simply "gunmen".

      The construction sites in Contention have dimensional lumber being used and that didn't come into widespread use until mid 20th century. As explained in the behind-the-scenes featurette, the filmmakers decided to use the unfinished buildings in the final chase sequence because they ran out of budget for set-building.

      During the stagecoach robbery, modern tire tracks can be seen in the dirt in a few shots.

      Audio/visual unsynchronised
      When Doc Potter removes the bullet from McElroy's belly, he drops it in a metal bowl. The noise of the dropping bullet does not match up with the visual drop.

      When Dan and Ben round the corner of the building with the liquor sign on it, a bullet hits the corner behind them without making a sound.

      During the shootout when Ben and Dan are on a rooftop, before the camera cuts to Ben and Dan, Charlie Prince fires a shot but there is no sound when he shoots.

      When in the train station, the camera angle is over Dan's right shoulder pointing at Ben; Dan is talking about his younger son Mark but Dan's lips aren't moving.

      In the train office, as Dan is talking to Ben in a reverse shot (focus on Ben), Dan's mouth moves but his dialogue isn't heard until after his mouth stops moving.

      In the Contention train depot, Dan's speech does not match his lip movements.

      The rounds fired at the station have a very faint computer buzzing to them in the background.

      At the end of the movie when the train finally shows up at the station you hear the bell on it ringing. But when it cuts to the train pulling into the station you can see the bell on top of it not moving while the sound of it is still going.

      Character error
      Early in the movie, William makes the comment that "... the calvary is coming..." He should be saying Cavalry.

      After Marshal Will Doane and deputies enter the hotel room, Dan says "there's five of us." But including his son William, there are six.

      Continuity
      At the beginning, when Dan's son William lights a match to see at night, the match burns very slowly and irregularly, varying the burnt length. When he puts it out, only the tip is burnt despite it being lit for about 60 seconds.

      While Ben Wade and Dan Evans are moving from the hotel to the train depot, there is one shot where the sky is completely overcast. All other shots show a bright, blue sky.

      During the exchange of Ben Wade with the deputy in the stuck coach in front of Dan Evans' Ranch, you hear the Marshall cock his revolver just before Ben Wade is let out. In the subsequent shot his revolver is not cocked.

      The first night camping out, Ben is sitting in the cold night air with just his shirt and vest on. The next morning he is again wearing his jacket. This is rather difficult to explain since he was supposedly handcuffed throughout the night.

      In the fight with the railroad workers, one of the workers has a badge on the left lapel of his coat. When they are shown meeting Wade's gang in the tunnel, the badge is on his right lapel. When he is shot, it is again on his left lapel.

      When the stage coach is being ambushed, one of the men in the back shoots one of the gang members and is hit on his left ear. As they arrive in town, they signal each other to go to the tavern and you can see that the man hurt on his ear is no longer hurt on the left ear but instead is hurt on his right ear.

      When Charlie shoots the three men building the tunnels he shoot the first man, then he crosses his arms to shoot the other two. In the next shot his arms are pointed away from each other not crossed.

      When Wade sketches Evans in hotel room, his handcuffs seems to be off.

      After the stage coach tips over Charlie Prince goes over and picks up Byron McElroy's shotgun, he breaks it open to check it. The scene then starts from another angle still showing Charlie Prince and he breaks the shotgun open a second time.

      Crew or equipment visible
      As the stage coach flips over in the robbery sequence, you can clearly see a white sandbag used while filming the stunt.

      Errors in geography
      Bisbee, Arizona is portrayed as being laid out on a flat plot of land, when it is actually a mountainous, hilly town. The general appearance of the countryside shown in the film bears scant resemblance to southern Arizona, where this movie is set.

      In the shots at the train station you can clearly see all of the land in the background is covered in snow. There's even snow on the tracks. Not only is it evident that it's spring or summer time but there is a drought. Even though Contention is a distance away from Bisbee there would have never been a drought at one town while there's a blizzard at another.

      Factual errors
      In the end credits, writer Halsted Welles' first name is misspelled as "Haslted".

      When the train is leaving the station, the engineer whistles three times. Three whistles means the train is going to back up. One whistle means it will go forward.

      Incorrectly regarded as goofs
      At the hotel, Butterfield slides a badge under the hotel door, yet after the door is opened the sheriff and his deputies are all wearing badges. However, the badge Butterfield slides under the door is a deputy badge for Dan, hence Dan throwing it back to the sheriff when he leaves.

      Anesthesia had been in use for over 25 years before 1880. But it was still expensive and difficult to get, especially in distant towns. Furthermore, though Doc Potter is a very organized doctor, it is indicated that for a long time, most of his patients have been animals. And while the preservation of livestock and service animals was important enough to take pains to take care of them, anesthesia would not have been considered necessary for them (in the days before the ASPCA, it would have been considered an impractical waste.) Therefore, it is logical to assume that Doc Potter, having had few or no human patients in recent memory, would not have any readily available. It is also likely that McElroy would have refused it, anyway.

      Dan tells his wife that he 'has been standing on one leg for three years.' This is metaphorical, and a play on words at his own expense. He is referring to how long he has been trying, unsuccessfully, to maintain the farm and support his family in the Arizona territory. He is not referring to how many years have past since he lost his leg in the Civil War; the screenplay clearly states that the film is set in 1884.

      Revealing mistakes
      A Pinkerton inside the coach is shown firing a lever-action rifle twice without re-cocking it.

      The portrait of Evans drawn by Wade has a incorrect angle of view per where they were seated. In fact, to draw that portrait, Wade would have to sit in the opposite corner of the room.

      At the very end of the movie, while seated in the front cabin of the train, Ben Wade whistles (very mellow) at his horse to follow him. At this time, the train has already moved a significant end from the train station. There's simply no way his horse could've heard this through the noise of the locomotive engine.

      SPOILER. In one scene, Wade is pointing a shotgun at Evans, Doc and others. Evans' son sneaks up behind Wade, aims at Wade's head, and demands Wade drop the shotgun. When Wade hesitates, Evans' son fires a warning shot just to the right of his head. When the shot changes to a perspective behind the son, you can see that the warning shot he just fired just to the right of Wade's head would have probably hit Doc, Doc's horse, Evans, or one of the other good guys - they were standing just to Wade's right.

      When Wade, Dan, and the group are escaping through the tunnels after Doc hits the man with the shovel, Doc gets shot in the back but there is no bullet hole in his jacket. You can see the blood from the front when he dies.

      Before the gang set the stage coach on fire, one upward-angled shot of Charlie Prince shows that there is no roof on the stage. The lawman "trapped" inside could have exited through the large rectangular hole at any time.

      After Byron is shot in the stomach, he is taken to a doctor for emergency care. But rather than having a simple bleeding hole where the bullet penetrated, his stomach is completely torn open. This type of extreme trauma is inconsistent with a single bullet entry wound.

      Continuity
      Unless the 3:10 was more than "running a little late" there seems to be a significant loss of daylight in the final scene. As we watch the final shots of the train leaving town and son standing over his father's body, the sun is seen in its last light of the day; lighting both the underside of train and 10 gallon hat. However, at its shortest time of the year, the sun doesn't set on the Arizona region until well past 5pm.

      At the end of the movie, when Ben Wade and Dan Evans are in the train station, Ben puts his hat on in two separate shots, preparing to leave for the train.

      After Ben shoots his gang, William points and cocks his gun at Ben. When he relents, he uncocks his gun twice.

      In the Climactic sequence, while Ben Wade still has his back to his gang, the Mexican Marksman tosses Wade's gun to Charlie Prince. Moments later another gang member arrives with the gun and passes to the Mexican who tosses it to Prince again.

      Memorable Quotes

      Filming Locations
      Bonanza Creek Ranch - 15 Bonanza Creek Lane, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Cerro Pelon Ranch - 5547 Hwy 41, North Galisteo, New Mexico, USA
      Diablo Canyon, near, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Ghost Ranch, Abiquiu, New Mexico, USA
      Los Angeles, California, USA
      New Mexico, USA
      Santa Fe Indian School - 1501 Cerrillos Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Santa Fe National Forest, near, Gilman, New Mexico, USA
      (railroad tunnels)

      Watch the Trailer

      [extendedmedia]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUxVMLsLBQ[/extendedmedia]
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

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    • 3:10 to Yuma is a 2007 western film directed by James Mangold and produced by Cathy Konrad,
      and stars Academy Award winners Russell Crowe and Christian Bale in the lead roles,
      with supporting performances by Logan Lerman, Peter Fonda, and Ben Foster.
      It is a remake of the 1957 film of the same name, making it the second adaptation of Elmore Leonard's short story
      Three-Ten to Yuma.
      Filming took place in various locations in New Mexico. 3:10 to Yuma opened September 7, 2007, in the United States.

      User Review
      Thoroughly Enjoyable Remake of a Classic Western
      11 September 2007 | by mstomaso (Vulcan)

      Long ago, I saw the original 3:10 to Yuma featuring Van Heflin and Glen Ford, but I don't remember it well enough to compare it with James Mangold's new remake. Instead, my review will focus exclusively on the new film.

      Mangold's film is a tense, traditional western based on an Elmore Leonard story. Leonard is a solid writer, and gave the material upon which the film is based enough background and characterization to permit willful suspension of disbelief. Mangold's film does the same. Our protagonist and antagonist are, respectively, Dan Evans (Bale) and Ben Wade (Crowe). Evans is a would-be rancher and family-man whose family is suffering from a drought and a merciless landlord. Evans and his boys cross paths with notorious outlaw Ben Wade and his gang on their way into town to confront their landlord, and Wade whimsically lets them go. But the connection between these two men and Dan's eldest son is far from over. Eventually Dan will accept an offer made by a railroad agent to help escort Wade to a train headed to Yuma prison, while Wade's crew of murderers dogs their every step.

      Two performances stood out for me - Bale and Ben Foster (Charlie Prince). Crowe was good, but it's not clear that he engaged with his role with his usual intensity. There are several very talented actors in supporting roles, and they each pull off the transition to the western genre quite nicely (Alan Tudyk, Logan Lerman, Gretchen Mol, Peter Fonda and others). The film showcases the acting talent very well without losing sight of its straightforward but interesting story.

      More often than not, good westerns are at least as much character studies as they are 'shoot-em-ups'. After all, it pretty close to impossible to enjoy a film in which anybody might drop dead at any given time without caring about the people you are watching die, or those doing the killing. Mangold achieves this by drawing on the simple strengths of the original material and allowing relationships to dominate both the story's development and the cinematography. For a western, there is a tremendous amount of dialog in this film, coupled with the usual meaningful stares. Wade is so wily and unpredictable that you really never know what to expect out of him, and his crew is headed up by his loyal and equally nihilistic protégé Charlie Prince. Dan Evans is his polar opposite, and Dan's son is an unusually accurate and complex Hollywood portrayal of a teenager. These and other relationships are the strengths and the medium of the film. When the camera isn't being used to build tension before a battle or showing us a gun-fight, it is establishing relationships and character. And many of the characters and relationships we see are surprising, ambiguous and more than a little ironic.


      Highly recommended for western fans.
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

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    • Mangold Directing 3:10 to Yuma Next
      Source: Variety
      February 21, 2006


      Walk the Line director James Mangold and his wife, producer Cathy Konrad, have set the Columbia Pictures remake 3:10 to Yuma as the next film he'll direct. Variety says the film will shoot in the summer.

      Mangold and Konrad boarded "Yuma" after getting a new draft from Collateral screenwriter Stuart Beattie, who rewrote scripts from Michael Brandt and Derek Haas.

      The original 1957 Western, starring Glenn Ford and Van Heflin, is about a sheriff determined to bring a captured desperado to justice. Elmore Leonard wrote the short story on which it was based.
      They'd never forget the day,the stranger rode into town
    • It'll be interesting to see who they cast in this, and if they hold to the original story line without "hollywoodizing" it.
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Originally posted by ethanedwards@Feb 23 2006, 04:22 PM
      Hi,

      I thought the original was brilliant,
      right from the moment Frankie Laine,
      starts singing the title song.
      Well, they haven't beat Duke's [b]The Alamo
      ,
      so they'll also have to go some ,to beat this one.
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      My sentiments exactly!
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Sony Puts 3:10 to Yuma in Turnaround
      Source: Variety
      June 23, 2006


      Director James Mangold's western 3:10 to Yuma was ready to start shooting this summer for Sony Pictures, but after four years of development, the studio has put the film in turnaround.

      "This is deja vu all over again," Mangold told Variety, referring to the fact that his last film, Walk the Line, was also set up at Sony and ready to start shooting when the studio pulled out. Mangold shopped that film all over town and was turned down by every studio but Fox, where the film went on to be a critical and commercial hit.

      Now producers Cathy Konrad and Mangold are in discussions with other studios to make "Yuma." Mangold says he plans to start shooting in October. Russell Crowe is attached to star.

      Because Sony owns the rights to the original 1957 Glenn Ford Western, it will still be a profit participant in the movie.

      "This is a very middle-priced movie," Mangold said. "I've never made a movie that has exceeded $60 million, and this one won't either."
      They'd never forget the day,the stranger rode into town
    • It seems as if there are very few movie producers that have an original thought in their heads anymore :stunned: . Everytime we turn around, someone is scheduling a remake of some well-regarded film or box-office hit. :headbonk: In most cases, the result is less than the original, even with today's technology. As an example, look at the Airport movies - the first one was quite well done, but the succeeding sequels became less and less classy and more tedious the more removed from the original in time. Of course, these are not technically remakes, but the idea is the same.
      Cheers - Jay :D
      Cheers - Jay:beer:
      "Not hardly!!!"
    • Here's the latest news:

      Bale Faces Crowe in 3:10 to Yuma
      Source: The Hollywood Reporter
      August 4, 2006


      Christian Bale is close to a deal to star opposite Russell Crowe in James Mangold's 3:10 to Yuma, says The Hollywood Reporter.

      Relativity Media is stepping in to finance the film, which has been without a home since Columbia Pictures put it into turnaround earlier this summer. Columbia spent four years developing the Western remake, which it had hoped to start filming this summer. Relativity is currently in negotiations with Columbia to distribute.

      3:10 to Yuma is based on the 1957 film that starred Glenn Ford as captured outlaw Ben Wade, who finds himself in the custody of small-time rancher Dan Evans. The rancher is secretly trying to take the outlaw to a railway station to catch a train to Yuma for the outlaw's court date. A battle of wills ensues.

      Mangold's take sees Crowe as the outlaw and Bale as the rancher. Michael Brandt, Derek Haas and Stuart Beattie have all contributed to the screenplay.

      The movie is on track for a fall shoot. Mangold has directed Walk the Line, Identity, Kate & Leopold, Girl, Interrupted and Cop Land.
      They'd never forget the day,the stranger rode into town
    • Peter Fonda, Gretchen Mol, Ben Foster, Vinessa Shaw and Dallas Roberts will join Russell Crowe and Christian Bale in the remake of the 1957 Glenn Ford oater "3:10 to Yuma" reports Variety

      Scripted by Stuart Beattie, Michael Brandt and Derek Haas, "Yuma" revolves around a desperado who is caught by a sheriff determined to bring the outlaw in. Sheriff's plans go awry when the desperado's accomplices stage an ambush.

      James Mangold is directing the $50 million pic and producing with his partner, Cathy Konrad. Shooting begins October 23rd in New Mexico.

    • It doesn't stand a chance to be as good as the original. There just isn't enough talent in Hollywood anymore. I have not seen one remake that I have liked as much as the original. Even if I like the actors that are in it, the script writing, directing and acting just don't come close. Doesn't mean that the remakes have been bad movies, just not as good as the originals.

      The other thing they are doing is, doing a remake but not claiming it as such. The latest example of this was "16 blocks", which was a poor remake of "The Gauntlet".
      You can roll a turd in powdered sugar but that doesn’t make it a doughnut.
    • I have to agree with erthomp - the technical advances in making movies may have improved, but the talent just isn't there anymore for the most part :( . Remakes are just a lazy Hollywood producer's way of getting something out there for the consumers :angry: . There are really very few original thoughts to be found :headbonk: .
      Cheers - Jay :D
      Cheers - Jay:beer:
      "Not hardly!!!"