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    • Re: Duke's Missing And Rare Movies

      The Duke Is The Man wrote:

      Well I finally received a phone call back from the people at Universal Pictures and they do not own the rights to Adventure's End. So now I'm on the quest to find out who does own the rights or (this would be great) it is public domain (not a great chance) I will be back in touch when new information is found and will keep you informed as this WILL get done!


      I am surprised Universal would say they do not own the copyright to Adventure's End.

      Universal Pictures Co., Inc. renewed the film's copyright on September 21, 1965 (renewal number R368573), about two months before the initial 28-year expiration.

      It could be that the person at Universal who phoned you is simply wrong, or legal claim to the film was subsequently sold outright to another entity (e.g. a television distributor).
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      Has anyone heard any new info on the possibility of getting Adventure's End out on DVD?
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
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      Adventure's End seems to have disappeared from circulation in 1953 when it was last reissued.

      I found it interesting that NBC Universal took down California Straight Ahead from YouTube due to copyright violation. Someone had made available the entire film.

      It proves that Universal still retains ownership of the six-film series, and cares enough for a cease and desist order.

      This means, however unlikely, anyone releasing Adventure's End on DVD other than Universal would have legal problems.
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      RoughRider wrote:

      I am surprised Universal would say they do not own the copyright to Adventure's End.

      Universal Pictures Co., Inc. renewed the film's copyright on September 21, 1965 (renewal number R368573), about two months before the initial 28-year expiration.

      It could be that the person at Universal who phoned you is simply wrong, or legal claim to the film was subsequently sold outright to another entity (e.g. a television distributor).


      As Bob got this email as the Universal contact from LOC

      Email: [email protected]

      I think we should ALL email this guy and quote Neil above and ask when it will be released on DVD using LOC reference copy. Who knows if enough people nag him he may just do something if only to stop the email coming!

      My granny always said "Shy bairns get nowt"

      So this is the email I just sent

      Hello Mr Lubliner

      Please can you advise when Adventure's end 1937 starring JOHN WAYNE will be released onto DVD. I am asking on behalf of myself and the thousands of other JW fans who would love to buy this and indeed see it. One of the few remaining JW films not released.

      I have this information from Library of Congress who hold a reference copy and below that information from US Copyright Offices stating that Universal renewed the copyright.

      I look forward to hearing from you soon and thank you in advance for your assistance.

      kind regards

      Elly Reid

      INFORMATION FROM LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

      We have the following 35mm element for ADVENTURE'S END (1937) in our collection:

      ADVENTURE'S END (1937)
      MAVIS: 1669
      LC CALL NUMBER: FPD 1576-1582 (composite master positive)
      COLLECTION: AFI/UNIVERSAL PICTURES COLLECTION

      At this time we do not have a viewable print of the film, but a reference copy can be made available for on-site viewing only.

      Duplication of ADVENTURE'S END required written permission from Universal Pictures:

      Universal Studios Media Licensing
      100 Universal City Plaza, 1440/15
      Universal City, CA 91608 USA
      Contact: Roni Lubliner
      Email: [email protected]
      Phone: (818) 777-1273
      Fax: (818) 866-2399
      Web site: <https://www.universalclips.com/Search.aspx#>

      I hope this information is helpful.

      Sincerely,

      Josie Walters-Johnston
      Reference Librarian
      Moving Image Section
      Library of Congress
      [email protected]


      INFORMATION FROM US COPYRIGHT OFFICES

      Universal Pictures Co., Inc. renewed the film's ( Adventure's end 1937) copyright on September 21, 1965 (renewal number R368573), about two months before the initial 28-year expiration.
      Be who you are & say what you feel Because those who mind dont matter & those who matter dont mind
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      Well the reply was swift short and to the point!!! I have copied it here.

      I still think it is worth others emailing this guy with the same request.


      From: Lubliner, Roni (NBCUniversal) [mailto:[email protected]]
      Sent: 17 June 2013 18:09
      To: Elly
      Subject: RE: Adventure's end 1937 starring John Wayne




      HI Elly,

      If it hasn’t been up until now, it never will.

      Thanks.

      Be who you are & say what you feel Because those who mind dont matter & those who matter dont mind
    • Re: Duke's Missing And Rare Movies

      Elly wrote:

      Well the reply was swift short and to the point!!! I have copied it here.

      I still think it is worth others emailing this guy with the same request.


      From: Lubliner, Roni (NBCUniversal) [mailto:[email protected]]
      Sent: 17 June 2013 18:09
      To: Elly
      Subject: RE: Adventure's end 1937 starring John Wayne




      HI Elly,

      If it hasn’t been up until now, it never will.

      Thanks.



      Yes what an informative reply!!

      Has he not heard the saying,

      Nothing is set in concrete
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
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      I haven't been back in awhile simply because after my last post some comments were made about someone I know that were upsetting and uncalled for. So I will make this comment and am not sure if I will be back.

      Apparently many of you don't understand about the list of films that are considered missing or lost. I have a good friend that works in the movie section of the Library of Congress and chatted with him yesterday. He's been there quiet a while and is actually getting ready to retire. We went into some detail about the lost films of John Wayne and he gave me some insight about what is and is not a viable copy of a film.

      Let's take Adventure's End from 1937. Back in 1975 Universal Pictures gave their composite master positive to AFI - American Film Institute for verification (their records indicate the master is in fair condition) and transfer to the Library of Congress. After AFI viewed the film they turned it over to the LOC. Since then (38 years ago) it has been in the hands of the Library of Congress and will remain so in perpetuity. Actually a composite master positive is not even a type of media that can be viewed except by using it to make a digital copy and then viewing the copy. My friend said their records show it has been at the Library since 1975 and will remain there unless requested by the copyright holder. It's not something that can be made available to the public or to anyone just walking in the door wanting to see the film.

      The LOC would have to make a digital copy (reference copy) of the composite master and then make it available to the person requesting it but to request it is almost impossible. You have to be a licensed researcher and have a letter from your organization stating that you need to view the film for something that will eventually be made available to the public like a book or a documentary. The film can only be viewed and take notes but the film can not be copied and they won't allow recording equipment in the room you'd use to view the film. A college student could also have the same access if the head of the university verified that it is imperative to the student that they see the film for their education and again be making something that will eventually be made available to the public just like the researcher.

      He also told me in the 25+ years he's been at the LOC maybe a handful of films were requested because there are so many hoops to jump through. The only other way is for Universal to request the film back and make a dupe from the master for reproduction and he's never seen that done. Typically the masters are not in very good shape.

      We've both talked to the studios on the phone and get the same answer every time. The masters are in poor shape and the bottom line won't allow it. The last one I talked to was Columbia about That's My Boy and The Deceiver. It's not in the cards because the money is not there. They couldn't sell enough copies to make up for the cost of reproduction and mass marketing. There are just not as many fans around as there were 30 years ago after John Wayne died.

      Lenny
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      lvellek wrote:

      I haven't been back in awhile simply because after my last post some comments were made about someone I know that were upsetting and uncalled for. So I will make this comment and am not sure if I will be back.

      Lenny


      Lenny,
      I am sorry that you seem offended in some way,
      and only hope this doesn't you away from our board,
      which we consider to be one of the friendliest on the net.
      I feel sure a PM to the member/s involved could have sorted this.

      In the meantime, thanks you theis update
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
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      Thanks for the info Ivellek. You sound like you know what your talking about. I guess our only hope is that guy in Canada. ( assuming he's for real ) the one with the 16mm print. Maybe someday he'll wake up and decide to share his good fortune! Maybe someday we'll get a filty rich member who joins our group and wants to help us out! We all know, money talks! B....... walks!
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      Hey all. Sorry I haven't updated in a while but I've been on that never ending trek to get things done. I received the update that Lenny above posted and I believe we know the same guy. He is very informative and has been helping me a great deal at LOC on my many travels there. Most of what Lenny says is true except that I have been told by a few people there that the LOC copy is actually in good shape. I have also tried many times to view the film but as Lenny stated, it has to be for a documentary film project, college paper, etc. I am starting to also talk to people about doing a documentary on John Wayne's "lost" films to get in with that angle. We'll see how that goes! I have been around and around with NBC Universal about the copyright which at first they denied having or renewing. Roni Lubliner is a real tool to deal with (the one that first told me they didn't have the copyright and didn't even have that title listed in their history!) but I have been tireless trying to get this worked out in some way. NBC Universal doesn't want to waste any money on an old film that they can't make big $ on, hence the stance of shunning any inquiries. In my talks at LOC I said that even a copy that was in fair/poor shape would bring many sold copies just for the sheer value/history of the film to the many John Wayne fans. I am still working on getting this film released in some way and will not stop until it is done. I've been working too many years to get it done to stop now and have been in contact with a few people that have gotten other films in this manner released. I am also about to travel overseas to visit a couple of leads that have told me about copies of this film existing with a couple of collectors. We know how that sometimes goes but I have done this many times before and it just has to be done to get the right answer. One is in Denmark and I've spoken to this one personally so we'll see. I PROMISE to keep you up to date on my travels and attempts to get this done as it is not only something I want to see but know that all those Duke fans want to see it also. Keep up the great work here and I'll be talking to you soon. Just enjoy the great reissues from Olive Films until we get this done!
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      I wish you luck in your treck to get this done. It's a crime that a film can be allowed to go to waste because there is no mega money to be made on it. I know it would sell well, as there is a large magnitude of fans who would pony up the dough to buy a John Wayne film they haven't seen. Please keep us updated as you go. Many thanks for your efforts.

      Mark
      "I couldn't go to sleep at night if the director didn't call 'cut'. "
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      The Duke Is The Man wrote:

      I received the update that Lenny above posted and I believe we know the same guy. He is very informative and has been helping me a great deal at LOC on my many travels there. Most of what Lenny says is true except that I have been told by a few people there that the LOC copy is actually in good shape. I have also tried many times to view the film but as Lenny stated, it has to be for a documentary film project, college paper, etc. I am starting to also talk to people about doing a documentary on John Wayne's "lost" films to get in with that angle.


      I doubt we talked to the same individual since I know this guy in real life and have known him for many years. He doesn't answer the phone or even talk to outsiders about things like this. I met him when I worked in DC years ago and we used to go sailing together. But anyway, he actually went down and looked at the film the last time we talked and he said it would be hard to get a decent copy made from the master because of it's condition. And they will NOT make you a copy to take out of the LOC, the copy they make is only for viewing and taking notes at the LOC. You can't bring in any recording equipment and to say you're making a documentary they have to have documentation to that effect, copyright releases, commitment papers from a production company for the documentary. He said they've had people try to scam them before and they always get denied access.

      wtrayah wrote:

      Thanks for the info Ivellek. You sound like you know what your talking about. I guess our only hope is that guy in Canada. ( assuming he's for real ) the one with the 16mm print.


      Second, the guy in Canada is a hoax. This has been verified by the studios that were also looking for something like what they found for The Alamo. That project is dead also. The film has been mishandled and there is no money or approval for the project. As I've said before I work in the licensing, copyright, marketing and trademark department for a film related company. Companies like Columbia, Universal, MGM & Fox take the time to do BR releases they are proud of. Paramount was able to purchase the Republic films cheap so they took the cheap route with Olive so they could make some money. A perfect example is the recent release by Columbia of the film The Bridge On The River Kwai on BR. It came with a 35 page booklet, 12 reproduced lobby cards all in a 1" hardcover case. Compared to the Olive releases where they wouldn't even spend money on licensing a decent image for the covers, so they used old film posters which are not copyrighted to get off cheap and they even look cheap in my opinion.

      ethanedwards wrote:

      Lenny,
      I am sorry that you seem offended in some way,
      and only hope this doesn't you away from our board,
      which we consider to be one of the friendliest on the net.
      I feel sure a PM to the member/s involved could have sorted this.

      In the meantime, thanks you theis update


      Last, I wasn't so much offended as I was angered by your hypocritical comments here and in the other section I posted in. You seem to be upset at someone who has to deal with an intense set of rules but has successfully done so for 6 years now. I met the individual a few times, once when he was invited out to Newport Beach and given the grand tour. I hear Bert even gave him and his wife a private tour of the Wild Goose. I met him at the JWCF dinner in 2011. They all seem to like him and his on-the-spot knowledge is amazing. This might be a decent forum if you want to talk about all the old westerns but they won't allow him to let that forum go that way. I won't go on anymore, I like the guy and I like the other forum. I've never heard Ethan or any of them say a harsh word about him. If he was the demon you make him out to be he wouldn't be starting his 7th year over there.

      When I met him we became friends and I ended up joining that forum and have made lots of friends over there. I post over here and the first thing I get are negative comments about him. I guess that's it for now.

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