Pinned Duke's Missing And Rare Movies

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    • Re: Duke's Early Minor Roles

      Hi Kieth

      Looking at your list I think I would agree with the majority of your choices. The two exceptions would be Men Are Like That and Hangman's House, the first because Duke has a fairly substantial role in the film, the second because it is recognised as being one of his first pivotal roles. it is also often erroneously reported that he is seen as a spectator demolishing a fence in the horse race scene. he is also seen in sillouhette being sentenced to be hung, and again has a 'speaking part' if that can be said in a silent picture, in the crowd riot scene. And if all else fails then there is still Victor McLaglen.

      Interestingly in this years Trail Beyond Tim Lilley includes an article by me entitled The John Wayne Timeline in which he mentions John Wayne as an extra in the film 'Noah's Ark' along with Andy Devine who were both in the drowning sequence.

      Regards


      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: Duke's Early Minor Roles

      arthurarnell wrote:

      Hi Kieth

      Looking at your list I think I would agree with the majority of your choices. The two exceptions would be Men Are Like That and Hangman's House,

      Regards


      Arthur


      Thanks for that Arthur,

      Although, it was still in the list of 'un-reviewed'
      I had already reviewed
      Men Are Like That
      aware that it was important enough to do so!
      However I have re-edited and re-posted
      it as
      Arizona (Men Are Like That)

      but this time placing it in,Duke's Romantic/Misc etc.,
      which I think is more acceptable for it, than a war film!


      I have now also reviewed the other few films
      where Duke is credited, as Duke Morrison,

      Namely,

      Words And Music
      Men Without Women
      Rough Romance
      Cheer Up And Smile


      I have also included
      Hangman's House
      because of it's importance
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      Hi

      Of all of the films listed I think that most of the three esquiteers films have or are coming out on DVD.

      The Life of Jimmy Dolan is already out, I'm not sure about the earlier ones.

      There were three versions of the Oregon Trail made, I would be prepared to say that the Duke version was destroyed.

      Of the others I think Adventures End is in the same catagory.

      Certainly Tim Lilley is certain about Duke's participation in Noahs Ark for when writing the Timeline for the Big Trail with his help I was able to extend John Wayne's film career from the start of Christianity to the dawn of time when ever that was.


      Regards

      Arthur

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      arthurarnell wrote:

      Hi

      Of all of the films listed I think that most of the three esquiteers films have or are coming out on DVD.

      The Life of Jimmy Dolan is already out, I'm not sure about the earlier ones.

      There were three versions of the Oregon Trail made, I would be prepared to say that the Duke version was destroyed.

      Of the others I think Adventures End is in the same catagory.

      Certainly Tim Lilley is certain about Duke's participation in Noahs Ark for when writing the Timeline for the Big Trail with his help I was able to extend John Wayne's film career from the start of Christianity to the dawn of time when ever that was.

      Regards

      Arthur

      Regards

      Arthur



      There are about 18 movies before The Big Trail...

      These I have on DVD:

      The Great K&A Train Robbery - 1926
      Brown of Harvard - 1926
      The Drop Kick - 1927
      Hangman's House - 1928
      Salute - 1929
      Noah's Ark - 1929
      he Black Watch - 1929
      Born Reckless - 1930

      These I don't but are working on it to get them:

      Bardelys the Magnificent - 1926
      Annie Laurie - 1927
      Mother Machree - 1928
      Four Sons - 1928
      Words and Music - 1929
      Speakeasy - 1929
      The Forward Pass - 1929
      Rough Romance - 1930
      Men Without Women - 1930
      Cheer Up and Smile - 1930
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      Here is the list from our Filmography,
      which was compiled from some 11 books,
      IMDb and Tim Lilley's Big Trail


      1926. BROWN OF HARVARD - (MGM)
      1926. BARDELEYS THE MAGNIFICENT- (MGM)
      1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)
      1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
      1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
      1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)
      1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)
      1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.
      1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)
      1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
      1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)
      1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)
      1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)
      1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
      1929. SALUTE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
      1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National))
      1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)
      1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
      1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
      1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
      1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      Three of them that don't match I don't think he was in as an actor.

      HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
      STRONG BOY
      THE LONE STAR RANGER

      These three are not in any of my books. I took my filmography from Duke: A Life In Pictures and iMDB matches my list as well. Along with 3 other books I just checked:

      Duke: The John Wayne Album
      John Wayne: A Tribute
      The Complete Films of John Wayne


      So that's 5 sources for me and no mention of those three movies. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just a crew member on those. I have those 18 pre-The Big Trail on my list but I'm really only interested in getting the movies starting with The Big Trail since it was his first starring role.Using that list I have 93% of his movies on DVD.

      I was able to record "Central Airport" this morning but the sound was very badly out-of-sync. I'll have to run it through my Virtual DubMode software and get the voice in sync with the picture. Other than that it was a good copy of the film.
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      These,

      HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
      STRONG BOY
      THE LONE STAR RANGER

      These are mentioned by Tim Lilley in The Big Trail.

      Maybe, maybe, not an actor in them, but still worth
      of inclusion
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      Also see my post at the top of this thread,

      ethanedwards wrote:

      One of the things that has always interested me ,and I'm sure, we'll never know, is what films was Duke involved in, in those early Fox years, either as a prop man, in a crowd scene, or a walk on??
      I've gone through countless books, and Tim Lilley, of The Big Trail journal, also, itemised these films.
      This list incidently, almost matches this sites, filmography. The other ones we came up with, information from various sources surrounding the Fox studios, is in addition to the sites list!
      It is suggested, that he was also involved, in the following;-

      STRONG BOY- March 3.1930-Victor McLaglan/John Ford film
      HAM HAMILTONS SHORTS- comedy shorts
      THE LONE STAR RANGER- 1930
      WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS-1930
      THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI-1930

      Who knows?
      But with those added to our Filmography, that's about as concise,as it gets!!


      Please note, However, the mention that it
      is
      SUGGESTED that he was involved


      Here is a Quote about this very subject, already
      discussed in a Filmography Comments thread, a while back.

      Filmography Comments



      HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
      two reel comedies from the '20's'

      A couple of references, point out that Duke,was a lot busier
      with his propping and 'extras' work, then the scant listings of his earlier films suggest.

      Tim Lilley, wrote this article in the Big Trail,
      and pointed out the following:-

      THE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE
      by Ricci/Zmijewsky.1970
      for years the standard reference work on John Wayne,
      made this interesting statement:-

      'Wayne continued working in the prop department(Fox)
      and now and then as a stuntman. He also began to get bit parts in Ham Hamilton comedies and Ford films such as HANGMAN'S HOUSE, SALUTE and MEN WITHOUT WOMEN'

      This was vindicated by Lee O Miller, the author
      of the 1979 book, THE GREAT COWBOY STARS OF MOVIES AND TELEVISION.
      Lee O Miller, had the good fortune to interview Duke, and Duke told him:-

      'I finally got bit parts in a few other films. Ham Hamilton was the director of those films.
      He was a friend of Ford's and the latter asked Hamilton to give me a chance at acting, if he had any bit parts, to cast me in!

      Duke also recalled other films he was associated with
      BROWN OF HARVARD, NOAH'S ARK.

      Although there is no visible proof,that Duke was in these films,
      neither is there, for some of the films, we've already listed!!
      To include some and not others, may spoil the full 'picture'
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Re: Missing Movies and Movies before The Big Trail

      Everyone has their own list... all I know they are not listed in mine because I see no written proof in any of the books I have that he was ever in them. If Tim put them in his books then fine, but I have 5 others that dispute that list. For me to add them would be adding something that hasn't been proven. So far every movie I have and have watched even if it's only for a couple seconds, I have seen him in the movie. They even printed a filmography in the Winterset program we could buy during the celebration and those are not listed in there either.

      There's another place I checked and that's the AFI's master catalog. He's not listed there either and they keep some pretty extensive records. John Ford directed one of them (Strong Boy) but the HAM HAMILTONS wasn't even listed since they weren't classified as movies. Short comedy clips...