Sands Of Iwo Jima (1949)

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    • Originally posted by arthurarnell@Dec 8 2005, 02:23 PM
      Hi

      I forgot I also meant to mention the book Flags of Our Fathers by John Barclay's son. It covers the flag raising on Mount Suribachi very well.

      I bought it when we were last in Orlando.

      Regards

      Arthur
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      I've read the book Flags Of Our Fathers by James Bradley, son of one of the flag raisers, John Bradley. If you haven't read it, do so, very good , very moving and, will affect you in many ways. It's being made into a movie and is currently being filmed. Stephen Speilberg is producing and Clint Eastwood is directing and last I heard, it'll be out late next summer. You can check more on it at flagsofourfathers.net or the-pacific-war.com
    • Originally posted by Senta@Dec 7 2005, 03:02 AM

      [b]I don't know much about operations of USA troops in that part of the world and can't say: is the movie historic accurate or not, but belive that it is so.
      It is really great how war is shown in the movie. I had the impression that some documentary was used in the movie. Is it so?

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      The combate footage in Sand of Iwo Jima is from a USMC documentary TO THE SHORES OF IWO JIMA. This includes to Actuell footage of the Famus Flag rasing of Mt. Surabachi. It is well worth seeking out.

      Semper Fi
      John Bernard Books (The Shootist):
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."
    • Hi Keith, Arthur and Zack,
      Thank you for your comments and information, expecially about books it is very interesting.

      I well remember Stryker's letter to his son, it was very moving, and he blames himself for many faults. Agar changed his mind at last about his father, Stryker and Marine in the whole (he even says Saddle Up, how used Stryker said). But Stryker son was only 10 years old! Or he was at that age when mother take him away. It is explained in the film that she left him, because he wasn't family man and was devoted to the army. But I always thought that wifes had to share their husbands interests and thoughts and go to the same distanation were their husbands serve.
      Regards,
      Vera
    • Originally posted by Senta@Dec 8 2005, 08:52 PM
      ...... It is explained in the film that she left him, because he wasn't family man and was devoted to the army. But I always thought that wifes had to share their husbands interests and thoughts and go to the same distanation were their husbands serve.

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      Hi Vera,
      Yours is a noble and admirable explanation,
      Hopefully in your country this may be the case.
      However, I am sure all over the World, many men and women,
      persue their chosen careers, with scant regard for their partners, needs and wishes,

      Keith
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Hi,

      This film was reviewed as a special review, not long back,
      so to bring it line with our current review strategy,
      I'll post the full scenerio.

      SANDS OF IWO JIMA

      PHOTO

      INFORMATION BY IMDb IMDbPro.com

      Plot Summary

      After his wife takes their son and leaves him, Sgt. John Stryker is an embittered man who takes his misery out on the men under his command. They're a bunch of green recruits who have a hard time dealing with Stryker's tough drills and thicker skin. Even his old friends start to wonder if he's gone from being the epitome of the tough Marine drill instructor to a man over the edge.

      Full Cast

      James Edward Grant (screenplay) and
      Harry Brown (screenplay)

      Cast (in credits order) verified as complete
      John Wayne .... Sgt. John M. Stryker
      John Agar .... Pfc. Peter Conway
      Adele Mara .... Allison Bromley
      Forrest Tucker .... Pfc. Al Thomas
      Wally Cassell .... Pfc. Benny Regazzi
      James Brown .... Pfc. Charlie Bass
      Richard Webb .... Pfc. Dan Shipley
      Arthur Franz .... Cpl. Robert Dunne/Narrator
      Julie Bishop .... Mary
      James Holden .... Pfc. Soames
      Peter Coe .... Pfc. George Hellenpolis
      Richard Jaeckel .... Pfc. Frank Flynn
      William Murphy .... Pfc. Eddie Flynn (as Bill Murphy)
      George Tyne .... Pfc. Harris
      Hal Baylor .... Pvt. 'Sky' Choynski (as Hal Fieberling)
      John McGuire .... Capt. Joyce
      Martin Milner .... Pvt. Mike McHugh
      Leonard Gumley .... Pvt. Sid Stein
      William Self .... Pvt. L.D. Fowler Jr.
      David M. Shoup .... Himself (as Col. D.M. Shoup, U.S.M.C.)
      H.P. Crowe .... Himself (as Lt. Col. H.P. Crowe, U.S.M.C.)
      Harold G. Schrier .... Himself (as Capt. Harold G. Schrier, U.S.M.C.)
      Rene A. Gagnon .... Himself (as Pfc. Rene A. Gagnon)
      Ira H. Hayes .... Himself (as Pfc. Ira H. Hayes)
      John H. Bradley .... Himself (as PM 3/c John H. Bradley)
      rest of cast listed alphabetically:
      David Clarke .... Wounded Marine (uncredited)
      Bruce Edwards .... Marine (uncredited)
      Dorothy Ford .... Tall girl (uncredited)
      Don Haggerty .... Colonel in staff car (uncredited)
      Gil Herman .... Lt. Baker (uncredited)
      I. Stanford Jolley .... Forrestal (uncredited)
      Dickie Jones .... Scared Marine (uncredited)
      Dick Wessel .... Grenade instructor (uncredited)
      John Whitney .... Lt. Thompson (uncredited)

      Stunts

      Fred Graham .... stunt double (uncredited)
      Don Nagel .... stunts (uncredited)
      Terry Wilson .... stunt double (uncredited)
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Trivia

      INFORMATION FROM IMDb

      * In one scene, combat veteran Sgt. Stryker (John Wayne) instructs bumbling recruit Pvt. Choynski (Hal Baylor) on the correct way to march and hold a rifle. In real life Baylor was an ex-Marine who fought in the horrific battles of Saipan and Tinian in WW II; Wayne had never spent a day in the military in his life.

      * The three men who were part of the flag raising (made famous by the photograph Joe Rosenthal had taken) and survived the battle for Iwo Jima, were part of the movie with John Wayne. Rene A. Gagnon, Ira H. Hayes and John H. Bradley are seen with Wayne as he instructed them to hoist the flag (Wayne gave the folded flag to Gagnon).
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Goofs


      INFORMATION FROM IMDb

      * Continuity: After Sgt. Stryker dances with Choynski, he stands a little way from Choynski. The next shot shows them both side by side.

      * Revealing mistakes: When Pfc. Thomas goes for more ammo and stops for coffee, the coffee is being brewed in a helmet over an open fire. He hands over his metal cup, and the fellow by the fire holds it in his bare hand as he fills it from the helmet.

      From The Ringo Kid
      One more blooper I noticed in Sands of Iwo Jima was when the Marines were in the Landing Craft and in the one with John Wayne & Co in it on the front inside you see a message in white that says: "It's Too late To Worry Now" and if you notice that in different takes, the same words are there but the phrase is broken up differently.
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Originally posted by ethanedwards@Dec 29 2005, 02:16 AM

      After his wife takes their son and leaves him, Sgt. John Stryker is an embittered man who takes his misery out on the men under his command. John Agar ....  )
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      Hi Keith,
      I can't agree with that. When he is teaching this green man he is trying his best one way or another and he make from them a great squadron. His personal problems influence his free time, when he drink hard.
      Regards,
      Vera
    • Hi Senta

      I totally agree with you from the moment Duke is training his men in New Zealand to the time he is preventing them throwing their lives away trying to rescue their wounded colleague, Wayne shows the highest regard for his platoon.

      The reviewer wasn't very sure of the plot, or he hadn't seen the film.

      Of the survivors of the flag raising ceromony.

      After leaving the army Ira Hayes drifted, he was befriended by the actor Iron Eyes Cody but still was unable to settle. Returning to his reservation he began drinking heavilly and on January 24th, 12 days after his 32nd birthday he died from asphixiation having drowned in a pool of water.

      Rene Gagnon also struggled to come to terms and after working as a janitor on 12th October he died from a heart attack a disillusioned man.

      John H Bradley died 11 January aged 71 his son wrote the book Flags of Our Fathers detail the flag raising ceremony.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Hi Vera,
      Arthur is quite right to point out that this is the
      reviewers, point of view.!
      I actually believe, that Styker was a
      compassionate man, and cared about
      the welfare of his men.
      He was hard on them
      so that they were,aware, sharp,
      and focussed, in battle.
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • More Goofs for the film,

      Here are a couple itdo posted in the Bloopers thread,

      Factual error: During the scene where Stryker is fighting with Forrest Tucker, an officers staff car pulls up. The car appears to be a 1946 or later Dodge or Plymouth, which was not yet manufactured.

      And another thing about Iwo Jima: Wayne gets killed, he lies on his back. Then comes the shot of Forrest Tucker, looking down at him. Tuckers POV: Stryker is now lying on his belly. Somebody must've turned him over, right? (probably the guys from the FIRST flagraising on Surabachi, if you know what I mean :) )
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Originally posted by arthurarnell@Dec 29 2005, 10:21 AM
      Hi Senta

      I totally agree with you from the moment Duke is training his men in New Zealand to the time he is preventing them throwing their lives away trying to rescue their wounded colleague, Wayne shows the highest regard for his platoon.

      The reviewer wasn't very sure of the plot, or he hadn't seen the film.

      Of the survivors of the flag raising ceromony.

      After leaving the army Ira Hayes drifted, he was befriended by the actor Iron Eyes Cody but still was unable to settle. Returning to his reservation he began drinking heavilly and on January 24th,  12 days after his 32nd birthday he died from asphixiation having drowned in a pool of water.

      Rene Gagnon also struggled to come to terms and after working as a janitor on 12th October he died from a heart attack a disillusioned man.

      John H Bradley died 11 January aged 71 his son wrote the book Flags of Our Fathers detail the flag raising ceremony.

      Regards

      Arthur
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      I read Bradleys book and it was one of the best books I've ever read. It will affect you like no other. About Ira Hayes, most of his problems stemmed from the fact that he could never get over the loss of so many friends on Iwo and the fact that he lived and became famous because of the flag raising. When he and the others were brought home to go on a war bond tour, he didn't like it. He thought he was undeserving of being hailed a hero when he had friends buried on the island. He eventually begged to be let off the our and go back to active duty. I think he was wishing that he would also die so the pain of loss and sorrow would be taken off him.
      Gagnon, on the other hand, loved the fame it brought him and always thought that he deserved more and a better way of life because of that one moment in time. He never achieved it. Like you said, he ended up a janitor when he wished for status and fame.
      Bradley is probably the only one who put it all into perspective. He never talked about his part in the flag raising or even his heroism on Iwo Jima. He kept it all to himself, even his nightmares. Whenever his wife, kids or, friends asked about Iwo, all he would say, "it was a job I had to do along with alot of other guys a long time ago". If you haven't read the book, do so, it's absolutely fantastic and with Eastwood directing the film version, it should be a big hit.

      P.S. I you want to see a photo of the flag raising scene from the movie, go to flagsofourfathers.net and click on the photo bar and you'll see it. It looks so much like the real thing it's uncanny. Eastwood has it down to a T.