Red River (1948)

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    • Re: Red River (1948)

      Stumpy had an interesting question, which he posed in the "What Was the Last Western You Watched?" thread, but I thought I'd bring it here, to the dedicated thread, to promote the conversation -

      Stumpy wrote:

      I've been thinkin' I'd better catch up on some Duke viewing while I'm still able so yesterday evening I watched "Stagecoach" and this afternoon I watched "Red River" (each for about the 30th or 40th time apiece).

      Both brought to mind a couple of questions I'd like to ask my fellow Duke fans:

      a. How many of you remember the Ringo Kid's actual name in "Stagecoach"?

      b. With what act of Dunson's did you most disagree in "Red River"?

      It's been such a long time since I've watched it, I think I'd rather answer after a more recent viewing.

      But I hope others will chime in with their thoughts.

      Chester :newyear:
    • Re: What Was The Last Western You Watched?

      William T Brooks wrote:

      When at the First of Red River Dunson Leaves His Sweetheart Behind and She is Killed by the Indians !
      :broken_heart:
      Bill
      :cowboy:


      That sure rivals what I was thinking of, Bill, but the particular act I was thinking of occurred later in the movie.
      De gustibus non est disputandum
    • Re: What Was The Last Western You Watched?

      Stumpy, I think most of the things Dunson did, while harsh, were what was needed to get the job done. But if I had to pick one thing he did that I disagreed on, it was when he told Tess he would stop his revenge on Matt if Tess would marry him and bear him children. He knew Tess loved Matt. No man should ever force his intentions or love on a woman who doesn't want it. Or take another man's woman.

      Mark
      "I couldn't go to sleep at night if the director didn't call 'cut'. "
    • Re: What Was The Last Western You Watched?

      These acts that Bill and Mark suggested were certainly wrong of Dunson but the act I was thinking of with which I most disagreed was Dunson, at the very end of the film. making Matthew a partner in the ranch instead of Groot. After all, he and Groot had been together a long time, considerably longer than the relationship with Matthew. They'd headed west in the wagon train together, fought Indians together, and were apparently close friends. You'd think that he would have wanted to reward old Nadine with the partnership instead of this young pup Garth.
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    • Re: What Was The Last Western You Watched?

      William T Brooks wrote:

      And here I always thought that Groot was Dunson's Partner as He was with Him From The Start ?
      Bill
      :cowboy:


      Then how come he made a point at the end of the movie of showing Matt the new cattle brand would be D // M?
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    • Re: Red River (1948)

      That's a great point, Stumpy. I never even thought about that. Groot did deserve a partnership. I guess I was like Bill in taking for granted that Groot was already a partner.

      Mark
      "I couldn't go to sleep at night if the director didn't call 'cut'. "
    • Re: Red River (1948)

      Hi

      I suppose there is another point consider. Certainly Groot had been with Dunson from the start, but I think even at the beginning it was on a employer worker relationship although a friendly one.

      If you accept that at the beginning Groot called Dunson Tom, by the middle of the picture and whenever he wanted to put a point that Dunsen was wrong he was calling him Mister.

      But also I think that if both men even if they started out as comparatively young men with Groot possibly the older of the two. It had taken a number of years to build up the Red River D, both men would have got old together, perhaps Dunsen was looking to the future and put it young hands.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: What Was The Last Western You Watched?

      dukefan1 wrote:

      Stumpy, I think most of the things Dunson did, while harsh, were what was needed to get the job done. But if I had to pick one thing he did that I disagreed on, it was when he told Tess he would stop his revenge on Matt if Tess would marry him and bear him children. He knew Tess loved Matt. No man should ever force his intentions or love on a woman who doesn't want it. Or take another man's woman.

      Mark


      well i m going to defend jw here, mostly because i love him but also cos i don t think he did much wrong. when he said the above, he thought matt had betrated him and matt was like a son to him so he must have been very hurt to have said what he said. also, at the end of the film he told matt he had better marry tess so he seems like he had no intention of making tess have his son, he was just acting out of anger
      "Sorry don t get it done, Dude" (Rio Bravo)

      Hooked on The Duke
    • Re: Red River (1948)

      What a Great Movie!
      Good story with well written characters and dialogues. Borden Chase should have got the Academy Award for it.
      Brilliant actors/actresses. Duke's Performance as Dunsion is priceless. Maybe this Movie made me a fan of John Wayne the actor. One of his best performances and at least he should have got a nomination for the Academy Award for it. It's a pity that he and Montgomery Clift didn't made more movies together.
      Astonishing photography which make some people think this could have been a John Ford Movie.
      Not to forget Howard Hawks. Simply unbelieveable that Red River is the first Western he directed.
      IMO one of the best Westerns ever and probably the best movie about a cattle drive.
      My rating 10/10 ! :teeth_smile:
      "You're too good to give a chance to." John Wayne as Cole Thornton in El Dorado (1966)
    • Re: Red River (1948)

      Was just browsing through some Poster Artwork sites and found these two European posters for Red River, which I thought I might add .... hope you like them !!

      P.S Just how scary does JW look with the strange yellow hair !!!!!!
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