Rio Grande (1950)

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    • Re: Rio Grande (1950)

      Mike;
      I forgot to tell you, no they were not attached to the Horses, but they did have on Black Rubber Sole Tennis Shoes. But if you look Close the next time that you watch the film you might see that the Horses have "Trace Staps" holding them together so they would not Go In Different Directions.


      The day that they shot this Scene the Total Cast and Crew were there to watch this Big Scene, even Us Lowly Extras.


      Bill
      :cowboy:
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      Hi


      Reading back trhough this thread I saw the reference to the Sons of the Pioneers who sang some great sonfs in the picture.

      I have couple of photos of the Pioneers the first one shows them with Rex Allen, thanks to Chuck Anderson for identifying them for me, the members are:

      Front Row: from left to right

      George 'Shug' Fisher (guitar): Ken Curtis:
      Rex Allen (in suit standing in front of microphone) Karl Farr (guitar)

      Back Row left to right

      Hugh Farr (shirt with large Checkerboard Tommy Doss (centre rear directly behind Rex Allen): & Lloyd Perryman (behind Rex Allen and Karl Farr).

      The second postcard a picturegoer card I'm not sure if its earlier or later Ken Curtis isn't there I there and I'm not one hundred per cent sure of the others. Perhaps someone can help out.


      Regards

      Arthur
      Files
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: Rio Grande (1950)

      Hi


      I thought that I had already put the extract about the Roman Riding on but I
      can't find it so I'll do it now.

      The piece is entitled exerpts from a conversation with Harry Carey Jr

      'The most adventurous part of 'Rio Grande' was the Roman Riding scene. before you made a picture with Ford he never wanted your agent around, he just wanted you to come over yourself. So Ben and I got together and went over alone on day to see him, over at Republic. The old man sat there for a while, and finally said, "You Guy's know how to Roman Ride?" I said "No sir," and Ben said "No sir" and Ford said "You're going to have to learn it; we're going to have Roman Riding!" We knew what it was and Ben being real careful said, "Well, Mr Ford, how long before we have to know who to do it?" And he said "A month." So Ben looked at me and I looked at him and we both thought, "Oh S**t!.

      A wrangler named Kenny Lee broke two teams for us. One was barely broke, so that was the team that Ben rode - they were nuts, but he liked them..... .

      Now in Roman Riding you start out on the left hand horse, but we both found out in a hell of a hurry that the minute you get up on him and grab the withers they both take off - you can't hold them and get up at the same time, and the minute they take off down you go. I think Ben sat down a couple of times but pretty soon he made it up, and then I got shamed into it and then I made it up. We were learning it in an exercise arena, a small track going along at a lope. Old man Ford came out about the third day and he watched us and he seemed pleased, even tough we weren't standing up straight yet. Finally this old guy named Hank Potts that I'd known from the time I was a kid came along, he was just back from a location himself. He's raced Roman riding in his youth, and after watching us for a while he said. "You guy's aren't getting anywhere and your'e never going to get better than you are, all squatted down like that. You've got to get out on a straight road and let the b******s run for a good half mile where they can really take off." Well he got us out on a long straightway. It was on Sherman Way, the old Fat Jones stables,and the just flew. It's the getting up that was scary so I started sitting down again - Ben's team threw him off a couple of times too and finally Hank Potts said, "The next time you sit down on that inside horse I'm going to hit you with this rock." So I got up and stayed there, and then I lost my fear - it was amazing, it went away completely, just like that. Then Ford was really happy, cause now wer'e barreling ass around there. He was ecstatic, I'd never seen the old b******d so happy. Finally he said, "I think I'll get Claude to doing it" Claude was 6'2" and weighed about 160 pounds - a big lanky kid, a hell of an athlete. he looked like he was awkward but he wasn't . Now he looked like he barely rode at all, but he came out croupered those horses, jumped up on my team and went down the road no practice. Ben said "Well Jesus Christ" - we wanted to crawl under a board- and Old man Ford said, "Well Jesus it took you guys three weeks for Christ's sake." Ben said "He's never been hurt before Mr Ford." Ford said, "What?" he made you repeat everything. "Well his never been mashed up or hurt, he's not afraid." You're goddam right he's not afraid!" So Claude rode too - he used my team since we only had two. It was unusual for people who had critical parts in a movie to do that kind of stunt, but Ford would do it. We shot that Roman riding sequence right in the middle of the picture and we were even out Roman riding every morning on location.

      Harry Carey jr then goes on to say that the next morning both he and Ben Johnsone could barely walk and had to go to a nearby town to visit a physiotherapist while Jarman felt no ill effects whatever.


      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
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      One thing that has always surprised me about this movie is that many find this to be the strongest of the trilogy, I myself feel that Yellow Ribbon is the best of the trilogy. Maureen O'Hara is the only reason why this film would rank higher than Ribbon, but beyond that I am at a loss.
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      I just watch Rio Grande, what a great John Wayne/John Ford Classic. Ben Johnson, Harry Carey Jr. Victor McLaglen and of course the woman that could handle the Duke, Maureen O'Hara. I have seen this movie at least 30 times. When it comes on TV I will stop and watch it all over again.

      The chemistry between Wayne and O'Hara is electric. Ben Johnson and Harry Carey Jr. worked so well off one another. Victor McLauglen is just the best at what he does in any Wayne movie. A time of really good, decent films and some top notch actors. Not the HollyWeirds we have today. These people had class.

      I have loved John Wayne all my life. What's not to love and admire about a man with character, love of family, friends and country? He is the AMERICAN ICON. You think of America, patriotism, strength the 6' 4" image of John Wayne has to pop into your mind's eye. I love em and I still miss him. The day he died :broken_heart: I felt as if I lost a member of my family. :cry2:
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      Harry Carey Jr. was great in Rio Grande! The horse riding scene where Victor McLaglen was going to make them into 'horsemen' was wonderful! That was one of many memorable, great moments for those two in that film. Thank God for film, classic moments frozen in time, embedded in our minds and hearts forever.

      :angel1:

      Good, solid, clean Americana, something to hinge your morals, patriotism upon and someone to look up too. A man you could only hope your son's would emulate when they became men, that was what the Duke was and still is to this day. That is why he, even in death is so very popular. Larger than life........and one of the best part of mine.
    • Re: Rio Grande (1950)

      chester7777 wrote:

      This movie was a little late in entering our collection, but worth the wait.

      Especially interesting was the commentary from Maureen O'Hara, on the DVD.

      Amazingly enough, this film is not available on DVD at Deep Discount, although they do have some movie posters.

      Amazon has the "Collector's Edition" (that is the one I have). Good special features.

      Just a little update - Deep Discount most definitely does have this film now, and at a very reasonable price ($6.69, and free shipping!), along with several choices of posters -

      search.deepdiscount.com/search?w=rio%20grande&

      And speaking of posters, the one I have to share is very different from the one Keith shares in his introductory post to this thread.

      Rio Grande-poster.jpg

      The 1956 reissue poster differs only in the coloring -

      Rio Grande- 1956 reissue poster.jpg
    • FILM FACTS: Rio Grande (1950)

      Here is another Film Facts from Clive Woollands (see this post for more information) -

      Howdy folks. I'm glad everybody likes all the trivia about John Wayne films lately; here is another film fact, this time from Rio Grande. I hope you like it.

      Producers: Merian C. Cooper, John Ford, Screenplay: James Kevin
      McGuinnes, Cinematographer: Bert Glennon, Art Director: Frank
      Hotaling, Editor: Jack Murray, Distribution: Republic Pictures,
      Location: Moab, Utah, Cost of Production: $1.21 million, Date of
      production: 1950.

      John Ford used the same sound effect for Rio Grande's rescue charge as he's previously used for the pony herd noise in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
      The original script called for a less badly injured Kirby and Kathleen to share a passionate kiss at the end. Ford changed it to the simpler and much more touching hand holding moment as Kirby's stretcher enters the camp.
      Though only 16, Claude Jarman Jr already had an Oscar under his belt. He was awarded a special Academy Award for his film debut in The Yearling (1946).
      After an argument on the set of Rio Grande, John Ford and regular actor Ben Johnson managed to maintain an amiable relationship until the shoot was over. But then Ford, notorious for bearing grudges, didn't hire Johnson for another movie for 14 years, when he finally relented and gave him a small part in Cheyenne Autumn.
      Karolyn Grimes, who plays the little girl Margaret Mary, also played James Stewart's daughter Zuzu in Christmas classic It's a Wonderful Life (1946).
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      O'Hara was a spitfire of a woman, a real red head that could stand up to anything the Duke dished out. They had the chemistry, the electricity. There will never be another quiet like those two. :cry2:I miss that.

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