Marlene Dietrich

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    • Marlene Dietrich



      Date of birth
      27 December 1901
      Berlin-Schöneberg, Germany

      Date of death
      6 May 1992
      Paris, France. (kidney failure)

      Birth name
      Maria Magdalena Dietrich

      Lili Marlene

      5' 6" (1.68 m)

      Rudolf Sieber (17 May 1924 - 24 June 1976) (his death) 1 daughter

      Trade mark
      Low and sensual voice

      Received the U.S. War Department's 'Medal of Freedom', in 1947, for entertaining American troops in WWII and her strong stand against Naziism.

      Was made a Chevaliere of the Legion by France.

      Born at 9:15pm-CET

      Her estate, consisting of about 300.000 pieces, was bid for 8 mio. German marks by the city of Berlin, Germany.

      Interred at Friedhof III, Berlin-Friedenau, Germany.

      Chosen by Empire magazine as one of the 100 Sexiest Stars in film history (#60). [1995]

      Mother of Maria Riva.

      Marlene's father was Lt. Louis Erich Otto Dietrich, who died when she was very young. Her mother remarried to Colonel Eduard von Losch, who was killed in WWI.

      Her father, a Berlin police lieutenant, died after he fell off a horse when she was ten years old.

      She sucked lemon wedges between takes to keep her mouth muscles tight.

      Never worked without a mirror on the set so she could constantly check her makeup and hair.

      Her make-up man said she kissed so hard that she needed a new coat of lipstick after every kiss.

      In a posthumous gift of forgiveness, she left her vast collection of memorabilia to the city of Berlin.

      She demanded that Max Factor sprinkle half an ounce of real gold dust into her wigs to add glitter to her tresses during filming.

      She prided herself on the fact that she had slept with three men of the Kennedy clan - Joseph P. Kennedy, Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. and John F. Kennedy.

      Marlene suffered from bacilophobia, the fear of germs.

      Fell and broke her left leg at her last ever last stage appearance in Sydney, Australia, September 1975.

      Became an American citizen on March 6, 1937.

      Ten years after her death, Berlin - the city of Dietrich's birth which she shunned for most of her life - declared her an honorary citizen. On April 18, 2002, the city's legislature bestowed honor on her as "an ambassador for a democratic, freedom-loving and humane Germany." The declaration hoped this "would symbolize the city of Berlin's reconciliation with her."

      Appears on the sleeve of The Beatles "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

      Measurements: 35-24-33 (in 1930), 36 1/2-26-33 (mid-1950s), (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine)

      She thought of feet to be the ugliest part of the human body, and therefore always tried to hide them in one way or another

      The only show-business friend she ever had was Mae West. However, they never saw one another outside the Paramount lot.

      Once said that her favorite meal was hotdogs and champagne.

      Proficient on the musical saw.

      She was voted the 43rd Greatest Movie Star of all time by Entertainment Weekly.

      Won a Special Tony Award in 1968.

      Was named #9 Actress on The AFI 50 Greatest Screen Legends

      Is portrayed by Gwyneth Paltrow in Untitled Marlene Dietrich Project (2006), by Margit Carstensen in Adolf und Marlene (1977) and by Katja Flint in Marlene (2000)

      Second German actress to be Oscar-nominated. The first was Luise Rainer.

      Is one of the many movie stars mentioned in Madonna's song "Vogue"

      She spent her last decade in her apartment on the avenue Montaigne in Paris, during which time she was not seen in public but was a prolific letter-writer and phone-caller. In 1984, Academy Award winning actor Maximilian Schell persuaded her to be interviewed for a documentary, but she did not appear on screen.

      Was voted the 50th Greatest German.

      Schöner Gigolo, armer Gigolo (1979) $250,000
      Destry Rides Again (1939) $50,000
      Knight Without Armour (1937) $450,000
      The Garden of Allah (1936) $200,000
      Blonde Venus (1932) $125,000
      Dishonored (1931) $125,00

      Personal quotes
      "On The Blue Angel (1930), I thought everything we were doing was awful. They kept a camera pointed here [groin]. I was so young and dumb."

      "I am not a myth."

      "I never enjoyed working in a film."

      In 1964: "I had no desire to be a film actress, to always play somebody else, to be beautiful with somebody constantly straightening out your every eyelash. It was always a big bother to me."

      "In Europe, it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman - we make love with anyone we find attractive."

      "A country without bordellos is like a house without bathrooms."

      "To be completely a woman you need a master, and in him a compass for your life. You need a man you can look up to and respect. If you dethrone him it's no wonder that you are discontented, and discontented women are not loved for long."

      "The weak are more likely to make the strong weak than the strong are likely to make the weak strong."

      "Think twice before burdening a friend with a secret."

      "I am at heart, a gentleman"

      "When you're dead, you're dead. That's it" "If there is a supreme being, he's crazy." "In America, sex is an obsession, in other parts of the world it's a fact." "Once a woman has forgiven a man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast." "The diaphragm is the greatest invention since Pan-Cake makeup"

      "Careful grooming may take twenty years off a woman's age, but you can't fool a flight of stairs."

      "I'm not an actress -- I'm a personality."

      "Sex is much better with a woman, but then one can't live with a woman!"

      Mini Biography
      Her father was a police lieutenant and imbued in her a military attitude to life. Marlene was known in school for 'bedroom eyes' and her first affairs were at this stage in her life - a professor at the school was terminated. She entered the cabaret scene in 1920s Germany, first as a spectator then as a cabaret singer. In 1924 she married, and although she and Rudy lived together only 5 years they remained married until his death. She was in over a dozen silent films in increasingly important roles. In 1929 she was seen in a Berlin cabaret by Josef von Sternberg and after a screen test captured the role of the cabaret singer in Blaue Engel, Der (1930) (and became von Sternberg's lover). With the success of this film, von Sternberg immediately took her to Hollywood, introducing her to the world in _Morocco (1930)_ , and signing an agreement to produce all her films. A series of successes followed, and Marlene became the highest paid actress of her time, but her later films in the mid part of the decade were critical and popular failures. She returned to Europe at the end of the decade, with a series of affairs with former leading men (she had a reputation of romancing her co-stars), as well as other prominent artistic figures. In 1939 an offer came to star with James Stewart in a western, and after initial hesitation she accepted. The film was Destry Rides Again (1939) - the siren of film could also be a comedienne and a remarkable comeback was reality. She toured extensively for the allied effort in WW II (she had become a United States citizen), and after the war limited her cinematic life. But a new career as a singer and performer appeared, with reviews and shows in Las Vegas, touring theatricals, and even Broadway. New success was accompanied by a too close acquaintance with alcohol, until falls in performance eventually resulted in a compound fracture of the leg. Although the last 13 years of her life were spent in seclusion in her apartment in Paris, with the last 12 years in bed, she had withdrawn only from public life and maintained active telephone and correspondence contact with friends and associates.
      IMDb mini-biography by
      Bruce Cameron

      Mini Biography-2
      Marie Magdelene Dietrich von Losch (aka Marlene) was born in Berlin, Germany on December 27, 1901. Her father was an army officer who had served in the Franco-Prussian War. Because of his constant absences from the family due to his army duties, Marlene and the rest had to rely on themselves. When he was died, while she was 11, Marlene's mother married Eduard von Losch and he adopted the Dietrich children. Marlene enjoyed music and attended concerts. She was adept at playing the violin and piano. By the time she was in her mid-teens, Marlene had discovered the stage. Acting was to be her vocation. In 1921, Marlene applied for an acting school run by Max Reinhardt. She was accepted. She appeared in several stage production, but never had more than a couple of spoken lines. In short, she wasn't setting the stage world on fire. She attempted films for the first time in 1922 Her first film was NAPOLEON'S YOUNGER BROTHER which was followed by TRAGEDY OF LOVE. On this last project, she met Rudolf Sieber and married him in 1924. The union lasted until his death in 1976 although they didn't live together that whole time. The remainder of her early film career was generally filled with bit roles that never amounted to a whole lot. After being seen in the German production of BLUE ANGEL in 1930, Marlene was given a crack at Hollywood. Her first US film was MOROCCO with Gary Cooper later that year followed by DISHONORED in 1931. This latter movie had her cast as a street walker who is appointed a spy. The film was a rather boring affair but was a success because of Marlene's presence. Movie goers were simply attracted to her. In 1932, Marlene filmed SHANGHAI EXPRESS which proved to be immensely popular raking in $3 million. Once again she was cast as a prostitute. The next film was BLONDE VENUS which turned out to be a horrible production. Her co-star was Cary Grant and once again she was cast as a prostitute. Marlene seemed to be typecast as a woman of low morals and she wanted different parts. Some films such as DESIRE in 1936 didn't do that but she wanted to expand. Her chance came in 1939 in DESTRY RIDES AGAIN when she was cast as Frenchy, a Western saloon hostess. This began a new direction for Marlene since it shed the typecasting which she was forced to endure during her career. All through the 1940's she appeared in well produced, well directed films such as MANPOWER, THE SPOILERS, THE LADY IS WILLING, and PITTSBURGH all in 1942. Afterwards the roles came fewer, perhaps one to two films every year. In 1945, Marlene didn't appear in any. She only made seven productions in the 1950's. Her last role of any substance was JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG in 1961. Despite the lack of theatrical roles, Marlene still made appearances on the stage. However, by 1979, she was a shell of her former self. After breaking her leg in one performance, she never made a go of it in show business again. Spending the last 12 years of her life bed-ridden, Marlene died on May 6, 1992 in Paris, France of natural causes at the age of 90.
      IMDb mini-biography by
      Denny Jackson

      Mini Biography-3
      from Leonard Maltin's Movie Encyclopedia:
      She entranced moviegoers for more than three decades, and was every bit as enigmatic offscreen as the leggy femmes fatales she essayed on-screen. She had a carefully developed skill for anticipating how her every move would photograph, and she took great pains not only with her makeup and costuming, but also with her lighting and the staging of her scenes. Her numerous affairs with both men and women were ill-kept secrets, yet she managed to avoid scandal with more success than most, and was content to have her private persona shaped by her public one. A gifted child whose talent with the violin was rendered useless by a wrist injury, she studied acting with the distinguished stage impresario Max Reinhardt. In 1923 she landed her first screen role, as a maid, in The Little Napoleon (aka Men Are Like This She next played the monocled mistress of Emil Jannings in Tragedy of Love (also 1923), striking a defiant note already. Over the next few years she worked in both plays and films; among the latter were The Joyless Street, Manon Lescaut (both 1926), A Modern Du Barry, The Imaginary Baron (both 1927), Cafe Electric and I Kiss Your Hand, Madame (both 1928), and The Ship of Lost Souls (1929). Then Jannings, who had returned to Germany from a sojourn in Hollywood, convinced director Josef von Sternberg (himself a Hollywood émigré) to make another film with him. The director saw Dietrich on-stage and was entranced; he subsequently cast her as Lola-Lola, the seductive singer who brings ruin to an aging teacher (Jannings) in The Blue Angel (1930)-which, filmed in both German- and English-language versions, was an international smash. Her husky-voiced rendition of the song "Falling in Love Again" became a Dietrich trademark.

      When von Sternberg returned to Paramount later that year he brought Dietrich with him; they collaborated on six more films that virtually defined exotic romanticism on-screen: Morocco (1930) Dishonored (1931), Shanghai Express, Blonde Venus (both 1932), The Scarlet Empress (1934), and The Devil Is a Woman (1935). Mysterious and alluring, Dietrich mesmerized audiences even as she shocked them by wearing men's clothing, doing nude swimming scenes, performing in a gorilla suit (in the "Hot Voodoo" number in Blonde Venus a Dietrich classic), and suggesting various and sundry sexual excesses. (During this time she also appeared in 1933's Song of Songs directed by Rouben Mamoulian, which featured a rather detailed nude statue of the actress.) Eventually the von Sternberg-Dietrich relationship ran its course, both personally and professionally, but she continued to play exotic roles in Desire, The Garden of Allah (both 1936), Angel and Knight Without Armour (both 1937), albeit to diminishing returns. She made a "comeback" of sorts in a comedic Western, Destry Rides Again (1939), in which, playing the saloon girl Frenchy, she successfully kidded her own image (and made a hit out of the song "See What the Boys in the Back Room Will Have").

      Dietrich made several costume and action films over the next few years, occasionally opposite John Wayne, with whom she was once linked; among them were Seven Sinners (1940), The Flame of New Orleans, Manpower (both 1941), The Spoilers, Pittsburgh (both 1942, both costarring her with Wayne and Randolph Scott), and Kismet (1944, in the latter performing a seductive dance in harem garb and gold paint). When Hitler importuned her to come back to Germany and make pro-Nazi films, she not only refused but went back to Europe, entertaining American troops with the USO! Her postwar work was sporadic, but its high points included a gypsy in Golden Earrings (1947), an ex-Nazi entertainer in A Foreign Affair (1948), aging stars in Stage Fright (1950, in which she sang "La Vie en Rose") and No Highway in the Sky (1951), another saloon singer in Rancho Notorious (1952, the performance later spoofed by Madeline Kahn in Blazing Saddles the wife of a murder suspect in Witness for the Prosecution (1957), a gypsy fortune-teller in Touch of Evil (1958), and a German aristocrat in Judgment at Nuremberg (1961). During this time, conscious about her advancing age, Dietrich was more prominent as a cabaret entertainer, often performing songs in an unusual spoken/singing style. Her final film appearances were cameos in Paris When It Sizzles (1964) and Just a Gigolo (1979).

      In 1984 her old friend Maximilian Schell made a superb documentary of her life, Marlene she agreed to provide commentary but refused to appear on camera. She spent the last years of her life in Paris; when she died, her request to be buried in her native Germany was resisted by huffy bureaucrats who'd never forgiven her anti-Nazi stance, but they eventually relented. Even in death, Dietrich ruffled feathers as almost no other movie personality could. Almost immediately following her death several biographers prepared lengthy, revealing portraits of this fascinating woman; perhaps the definitive (and most shocking) was the one written by her daughter, Maria Riva. Her son, incidentally, is production designer J. Michael Riva.
      Copyright © 1994 Leonard Maltin, used by arrangement with Signet, a division of Penguin Putnam, Inc.

      1. "Étoiles et toiles"
      - L'Erotisme au Cinéma (1983) TV Episode .... Archive Footage
      2. Schöner Gigolo, armer Gigolo (1979) .... Baroness von Semering
      ... aka Just a Gigolo (USA)
      3. Paris - When It Sizzles (1964) (uncredited) .... Cameo appearance
      ... aka Together in Paris (USA
      4. Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) .... Mrs. Bertholt
      ... aka Judgement at Nuremberg
      5. Touch of Evil (1958) .... Tanya 'Tana'
      6. Witness for the Prosecution (1957) .... Christine Helm Vole
      7. Around the World in Eighty Days (1956) .... Saloon Hostess
      8. Montecarlo (1956) .... Maria de Crevecouer
      ... aka Monte Carlo (USA)
      ... aka The Monte Carlo Story (USA)
      9. Rancho Notorious (1952) .... Altar Keane
      10. No Highway (1951) .... Monica Teasdale
      ... aka No Highway in the Sky (USA)
      11. Stage Fright (1950) .... Charlotte Inwood
      12. Jigsaw (1949) (uncredited) .... Cameo appearance (nightclub patron)
      ... aka Gun Moll (USA: reissue title)
      13. A Foreign Affair (1948) .... Erika Von Schluetow
      14. Golden Earrings (1947) .... Lydia
      15. Martin Roumagnac (1946) .... Blanche Ferrand
      ... aka The Room Upstairs (USA)
      16. Kismet (1944) .... Jamilla
      ... aka Oriental Dream (USA: reissue title (TV title))
      17. Pittsburgh (1942) .... Josie 'Hunky' Winters
      18. The Spoilers (1942) .... Cherry Malotte
      19. The Lady Is Willing (1942) .... Elizabeth Madden
      20. Manpower (1941) .... Fay Duval
      21. The Flame of New Orleans (1941) .... Countess Claire Ledoux, aka Lili
      22. Seven Sinners (1940) .... Bijou Blanche
      ... aka Cafe of the Seven Sinners
      23. Destry Rides Again (1939) .... Frenchy
      24. Angel (1937) .... Maria 'Angel' Barker, aka Mrs. Brown
      25. Knight Without Armour (1937) .... Countess Alexandra Vladinoff
      ... aka Knight Without Armor (USA)
      26. The Garden of Allah (1936) .... Domini Enfilden
      27. Desire (1936) .... Madeleine de Beaupre
      ... aka The Pearl Necklace
      28. I Loved a Soldier (1936) .... Anna Sedlak
      ... aka Hotel Imperial (USA)
      29. The Devil Is a Woman (1935) .... Concha Perez
      30. The Scarlet Empress (1934) .... Princess Sophia Frederica/Catherine II
      31. The Song of Songs (1933) .... Lily Czepanek
      32. Blonde Venus (1932) .... Helen Faraday, aka Helen Jones
      33. Shanghai Express (1932) .... Shanghai Lily, aka Magdalen
      34. Dishonored (1931) .... Marie Kolverer/X27
      35. Morocco (1930) .... Mademoiselle Amy Jolly
      36. Blaue Engel, Der (1930) .... Lola Lola
      ... aka The Blue Angel (USA)
      37. Schiff der verlorenen Menschen, Das (1929) .... Ethel Marley
      ... aka Grischa the Cook
      ... aka Navire des hommes perdus, Le (France)
      ... aka The Ship of Lost Men
      38. Frau, nach der man sich sehnt, Die (1929) .... Stascha
      ... aka The Woman Men Yearn For
      ... aka The Woman One Longs for (USA)
      ... aka Three Loves
      39. Ich küsse Ihre Hand, Madame (1929) .... Laurence Gerard
      ... aka I Kiss Your Hand Madame (USA)
      40. Gefahren der Brautzeit (1929) .... Evelyne
      ... aka Dangers of the Engagement (USA)
      ... aka Dangers of the Engagement Period (International: English title)
      ... aka Liebesnächte (Germany)
      ... aka Nights of Love (USA)
      41. Prinzessin Olala (1928) .... Chichotte de Gastoné
      ... aka Art of Love (USA)
      ... aka Princess Olala
      42. Café Elektric (1927) .... Erni Göttlinger
      ... aka Cafe Electric (International: English title)
      ... aka Wenn ein Weib den Weg verliert
      43. Sein größter Bluff (1927) .... Yvette
      ... aka His Biggest Bluff (UK)
      ... aka His Greatest Bluff (International: English title)
      ... aka The Big Bluff
      44. Kopf hoch, Charly! (1927) .... Edmée Marchand
      ... aka Heads Up, Charley (International: English title)
      45. Dubarry von heute, Eine (1927) .... Kokotte
      ... aka A Modern Dubarry
      46. Madame wünscht keine Kinder (1926) (uncredited) .... Dancer
      ... aka Madame Doesn't Want Children (USA)
      ... aka Madame Wants No Children
      47. Manon Lescaut (1926) .... Micheline
      48. Juxbaron, Der (1926) .... Sophie, ihre Tochter
      ... aka The Imaginary Baron (International: English title)
      49. Tänzer meiner Frau, Der (1925) .... Dance extra
      ... aka Dance Fever (USA)
      ... aka Dancing Mad
      50. Sprung ins Leben, Der (1924) .... Mädchen am Strand
      ... aka Leap Into Life (UK)
      ... aka Roman eines Zirkuskindes, Der (Germany: alternative title)
      51. Mönch von Santarem, Der (1924)
      ... aka The Monk from Santarem (UK)
      52. Mensch am Wege, Der (1923) .... Krämerstochter
      ... aka Man by the Roadside (USA)
      ... aka Man by the Wayside (UK)
      ... aka People Along the Way (International: English title)
      ... aka What Man Lives By (Australia)
      53. So sind die Männer (1923) .... Kathrin
      ... aka Kleine Napoleon, Der (Germany: alternative title)
      ... aka Napoleons kleiner Bruder (Germany: alternative title)
      ... aka The Little Napoleon (International: English title)
      54. Tragödie der Liebe (1923) .... Lucy
      ... aka Love Tragedy (USA)
      ... aka The Tragedy of Love (USA)
      55. Im Schatten des Glücks (1919)

      Miscellaneous Crew
      1. S1m0ne (2002) (simone wishes to thank the following for their contribution to the making of simone)
      2. Fight Club (1999) (singer: "No Love, No Nuthin'")
      ... aka Fight Club (Germany)
      3. Scenes from a Mall (1991) (singer: "You Do Something To Me")
      4. Maman et la putain, La (1973) (singer: "Falling in Love Again")
      ... aka The Mother and the Whore (USA)
      5. Wonderful Life (1964) (lyricist: "Theme for Young Lovers (Ich werde Dich Lieben) ")
      ... aka Swingers' Paradise (USA)

      1. Paragraph 175 (2000) (uncredited) .... Herself
      2. Marlene Dietrich and Joseph von Sternberg (2000) (TV) .... Herself
      3. Marlene Dietrich: Shadow and Light (1996) (TV) .... Marlene Dietrich
      ... aka Marlene Dietrich: Her Life and Legend
      4. The Dietrich Songs (1990) .... Marlene Dietrich
      5. Marlene (1984) (voice)
      ... aka Marlene Dietrich - Porträt eines Mythos (West Germany: TV title)
      6. Bob Hope's Overseas Christmas Tours: Around the World with the Troops - 1941-1972 (1980) (TV) .... Herself
      7. I Wish You Love (1973) .... Herself
      ... aka An Evening with Marlene Dietrich (USA)
      8. Magic of Marlene (1965) (TV) .... Herself
      9. Obyknovennyy fashizm (1965) .... Herself
      ... aka ???????????? ?????? (Soviet Union: Russian title)
      ... aka A Night of Thoughts
      ... aka Echo of the Jackboot (UK)
      ... aka Ordinary Fascism
      ... aka Triumph Over Violence (USA)
      ... aka Trumps Over Violence (USA)
      10. Black Fox: The True Story of Adolf Hitler (1962) (voice) .... Narrator
      ... aka The Black Fox (USA: short title)
      ... aka The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler: Black Fox (USA: video box title)
      11. Das kommt nicht wieder (1958) .... Marlene Dietrich
      12. Follow the Boys (1944) .... Herself
      ... aka Three Cheers for the Boys (USA)
      13. Show Business at War (1943) .... Herself
      ... aka The March of Time Volume IX, Issue 10
      14. The Fashion Side of Hollywood (1935) .... Herself
      15. Glückliche Mutter, Die (1928) .... Herself

      Archive Footage
      1. "The American Experience"
      - Las Vegas: An Unconventional History: Part 1 (2005) TV Episode .... Herself
      2. The Fight (2004) .... Herself
      3. "Unsere Besten - Wer ist der größte Deutsche?" (2003) (mini) .... Herself
      4. Complicated Women (2003) (TV) (uncredited) .... Herself
      5. Prisoner of Paradise (2002)
      6. Marlene Dietrich: Her Own Song (2001) .... Herself
      7. "Manns - Ein Jahrhundertroman, Die" (2001) (mini) (uncredited) .... Herself
      8. "Hitlers Frauen" (2001) (mini) .... Herself
      9. Marlene: Inventing Dietrich (2000) (TV) .... Herself
      10. Dritte Reich - in Farbe, Das (1998) (TV) .... Herself
      11. Warner Bros. 75th Anniversary: No Guts, No Glory (1998) (TV) (uncredited)
      12. "The Real Las Vegas" (1996) .... Herself
      13. Burt Bacharach... This Is Now (1996) (TV) .... Herself
      14. The Celluloid Closet (1995) (uncredited) .... Nightclub performer in tuxedo
      15. The Casting Couch (1995) (V)
      16. That's Entertainment! III (1994) (uncredited) .... Herself
      17. Cinegrafias (1994) .... Herself
      18. Macht der Bilder: Leni Riefenstahl, Die (1993) .... Herself
      19. Dos reinas (1993) .... Herself
      20. Nylon blues (1991)
      21. "Only In Hollywood" (1991) .... Herself
      22. Sixty Years of Seduction (1981) (TV) .... Herself
      23. That's Action (1977) .... Herself
      24. Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? (1975)
      25. The Love Goddesses (1965) .... Herself
      26. "The DuPont Show of the Week"
      - USO - Wherever They Go! (1961) TV Episode .... Herself
      27. Das gab's nur einmal (1958) .... Herself, Marlene Dietrich
      28. Screen Snapshots: Hollywood's Greatest Comedians (1953) .... Herself
      29. The Film Parade (1933) .... Lola Lola, from Der Blaue Engel
      Best Wishes
      London- England

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    • Marlene Dietrich, Duke's hot bit of woman, made only 3 films with him,
      but made a whole lot more in-between!!!

      Pittsburgh (1942) .... Josie 'Hunky' Winters
      The Spoilers (1942) .... Cherry Malotte
      Seven Sinners (1940) .... Bijou Blanche

      Apparently when Marlene first set eyes on Duke,
      during the making of Seven Sinners, according to director,
      Tay Garnett,
      Marlene, with that wonderful floating walk passed Wayne,
      as if he were invisible, then paused, made a half-turn,
      and cased him from cowlick to cowboots.
      As she moved on, she said in her characteristic brasso whisper,
      "Daddy, buy me THAT"

      Marlene was in complete contol of Seven Sinners,
      so much so she ordered co-star Anna Lee, to die her hair!!!
      with the instructions,
      No more blondes

      Without going into too much detail, amongst you children,
      things went on here,and in Marlene's dressing room of Seven Sinners,
      that this message board, is not set up for!!!!

      In January 1979, Barbara Walters asked Duke, if he had ever fallen in love,
      with one of his leading ladies, he replied as a matter of fact,
      Well yeah, Marlene Dietrich.

      Apparently he was more explicit,about the encounters,amongst his men friends.

      Marlene Dietrich, Lover and co-star
      Best Wishes
      London- England

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    • Hi,

      For the benefit of continuity, and to keep everything under one roof,
      I have copied, previous discussion, over to this,
      the new dedicated forum topic, relating to Marlene Dietrich,

      John Wayne & Marlene Dietrich

      Hondo Duke Lane 
      post Feb 19 2004, 06:08 AM

      There was a romance between Duke and Dietrich for some time. There is some mystery as to purpose of this relationship. Here are some questions that I'd like to know about this topic.

      How long did it last?

      Was Duke unfaithful to his first wife?

      Did Dietrich's affair help boost Duke's career?

      How did it break up?

      What was their relationship after the break up?

      Who did Dietrich have a relationship with after Duke?

      Who were others who had affairs with Dietrich?

      Anything else that might be interesting between Duke and Dietrich can be commented here.

      Cheers, Hondo B)

      post Feb 19 2004, 09:53 AM

      Hi Hondo

      Boy when you ask as question you really ask one.

      Marlene Dietrich made three films with Duke
      Seven Sinners
      and the Spoilers.

      The films came at a period in her career where she had been labeled "box office poison" after a series of disasterous movies made during the 1930s. With the prospects of a war in Europe also looming on the horizon a German speaking actress was not an attractive proposition.

      The difficulty with any stories regarding the movie stars of yesteryear is they all dash into print with their own variations and the variations differ greatly.

      It was referred to that when casting Seven Sinners Tyrone Power and James stewart were first muted but refused because of the damage it might have done to their respective careers. So in the end Duke who was just starting his was a safe choice.

      The story goes that it was arranged by the director Tay Garnett that Dietrich would meet Duke as he walked through the Commisary. On first seeing Duke she reputedly turned to Garnett and said Daddy buy me that"

      The affair according to most biographers lasted anywhere between several months to three years. However there is a fly in the buttermilk so to speak with the book by Dietrich's daughter Maria, who disputes that the pair had an affair, saying that despite all of her mothers attempts Duke rejected her and she began making up stories to the point where fact merged into fiction to the point where eventually she found it difficult to tell the difference.

      One of the statements that Donald Spoto in his book Dietrich says that Dietrich took John Wayne under her wing and taught him to act and even to read as he had never read a book before in his life. The absurdity of that statement is shown when investigating Dukes academic record, and it also had to be recognised that he had recently finished Stagecoach under Ford who did not suffer fools gladly.

      I think that the reason the affair? broke up was the personal ambition of both people. Dietrich wanted people who would hang onto her every word and be at her beck and call at anytime. Duke was not that sort of person.

      As Itdo has stated in a previous post later when asked why the affair broke up Wayne replied that he didn't want to be part of a stable.

      To find Dietrichs comment you need to read the book as the printable part said that cowboys actors did nothing but mumble their words and rattle their spurs and do things to their horses.

      I don't think Marlene Dietrich did anything for John Wayne's career because if you study his films around the late thirties and forties he was put into films that were designed to show the leading lady to the best effect rather than the male lead.

      And after the affair had broken up I think it is best to say that it wasn't amicable and the two ignored each other if they met.

      Best Regards


      post Today, 04:52 AM

      Well, I stumbled across this golden oldie, so I thought I'd post a belated reply to Hondo' questions.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      How long did it last?

      They met while making Seven Sinners in 1940 and by the time they finished with Pittsburgh in 1942 their affair was winding down.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      Was Duke unfaithful to his first wife?

      By his own admission (both at the time and years afterward), yes.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      Did Dietrich's affair help boost Duke's career?

      That depends. Seven Sinners certainly didn't do a lot for him. That one was a Marlene film with Duke as her leading man. On the other hand, Duke's parts in The Spoilers and Pittsburgh were quite substantial.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      How did it break up?

      Marlene met Jean Gabin and started getting interested in him. Also, Marlene had been trying to expose Duke to "culture" by trying to get him to start reading European philosophy books, which Duke wasn't too keen on.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      What was their relationship after the break up?

      The only contact I can recall between them after the breakup was some time in the 60's when JW had signed a contract to promote headache pills. When Marlene saw the ads, she called him at once and told him to take them off, as they looked ridiculous. He did.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      Who did Dietrich have a relationship with after Duke?

      As I already mentioned, Jean Gabin was the next one for Marlene.

      QUOTE(Hondo Duke Lane @ Feb 19 2004, 02:08 AM)
      Who were others who had affairs with Dietrich?

      Practically every male co-star she ever worked with, with the exception of Fred MacMurray. Gary Cooper and Jimmy Stewart would be among the notables.

      As for Maria's book, quite frankly, she was just a child at the time and likely didn't know what was going on. True, Marlene may have denied the affair to her later in life, but Marlene denied many things later in life (including the well-documented existence of her sister in Germany). As I said, Duke himself confirmed the affair, both at the time (to friends and co-workers) and later in life (in an interview, I don't remember exactly which one).

      It should also probably be mentioned that the whole reason Marlene and Duke first started making movies together was because they had the same agent, Charles K. Feldman. He arranged Duke's loanout for Seven Sinners, with the hope that they would click. They did. For The Spoilers and Pittsburgh, he also threw in Randolph Scott, another client of his.

      Very good questions. I do believe that these three Marlene-Duke films are very under-rated and under-viewed.

      Best Wishes
      London- England
    • Originally posted by chester7777@Mar 16 2006, 02:02 AM
      From EJ's remarks, I can say that I am glad that Jimmy Stewart is among the few who did not succumb to the charms of Marlene Dietrich (or maybe she wasn't interested in him).

      She was certainly an interesting woman.

      Mrs. C :angel1:

      I'm afraid you misunderstood me, Mrs. C. Jimmy Stewart most definitely did get involved with Marlene, as did Gary Cooper and Duke. In fact, there's even a rumor that Stewart may have gotten Marlene pregnant.

      It was Fred MacMurray who refused her advances. Sorry for not being clear about that.

      "I am not intoxicated - yet." McLintock!

    • By the way, for those of you who are Dietrich fans, Universal is releasing a 5 film collection of her movies on DVD on April 4, 2006. The 5 films included will be : Morocco, Blonde Venus, The Devil Is a Woman, The Flame of New Orleans, & Golden Earrings., and are all taking pre-orders at:

      "I am not intoxicated - yet." McLintock!

    • Re: Pals Of The Saddle- Marlene Dietrich

      ethanedwards wrote:

      Marlene Dietrich, Duke's hot bit of woman, made only 3 films with him,
      but made a whole lot more in-between!!!

      Pittsburgh (1942) .... Josie 'Hunky' Winters
      The Spoilers (1942) .... Cherry Malotte
      Seven Sinners (1940) .... Bijou Blanche

      Just to re-introduce one of Duke's REAL favourite leading ladys
      Best Wishes
      London- England