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    • Duke's Movie Horses

      I'm pretty sure this question has already been asked, but in going through the past posts, I can't seem to find the thread. Does anyone know the names of the horses that John Wayne rode in his films, and what horses in what films?
      Thanks for the help,
      Best,
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • This has been up, but I can't find the discussion either, so, the two most famous ones are Duke and Dollor. Duke is the pure white in some 30's westerns - it had some other name earlier but was renamed after its rider. Dollor is seen for the first time in the final scene of the True grit, the "another tall horse" Rooster had bought. And in several films after that.
      Here's Suburban Chicago a small article about Dollor
      I don't believe in surrenders.
    • Originally posted by Tbone@Jul 26 2006, 09:45 AM
      I wonder if Dollor is still alive? He'd be almost 40!  :o
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      It seems to me that I read somewhere a while back that Ol' Dollor passed away. Thanks to everyone for helping me out. The subject came up between myself and another John Wayne fan one day while we were at work, and we were trying to come up with the names of the different horses Duke rode and in what films. The topic kinda stuck in my head, so I've been researching it. Since I know the best John Wayne authorities and experts are right here at the JWMB, I kinda figgered I'd start my research right here. I knew y'all wouldn't let me down, and ya didn't. If I come with anything else, I'll let y'all know.
      Thanks again,
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Thanks for the links, ejgreen, very interesting reading, especially Quirt's posts.

      Everybody says that Dollor is in all the films after True grit, except for the mule in Cahill. I watched bits of them yesterday, and it is definitely Dollor in the Undefeated, Chisum and Rio Lobo - large blaze, almost bald face, white under the muzzle too, and three white legs, left front sorrel. Very long legs.
      The horse in Big Jake and after looks different: narrower blaze, only two socks, in the hind legs and not so long legs. Ok, it may be have become sturdier when older and so the legs seem relatively shorter, but what about the markings? Is it masked in the same way in all the later films?
      I don't believe in surrenders.
    • Howdy All,
      Well so far, what I have come up with regarding the horses John Wayne rode is this:

      He rode Duke the Miracle Horse (real name Sheik) in:
      Haunted Gold
      The Telegraph Trail
      Somewhere in Sonora
      The Man from Monterey
      The Big Stampede
      Ride Him Cowboy

      He rode Starlight in:
      Pals of the Saddle
      Overland Stage Raiders
      Sante Fe Stampede
      Red River Range
      The Night Riders
      Three Texas Steers
      Wyoming Outlaw
      Riders of Destiny
      Westward Ho (possibly)
      The Sagebrush Trail (possibly)

      He rode Banner in:
      Angel and the Badman
      Hondo
      She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
      Three Godfathers

      He rode Sammy in:
      A Lady Takes A Chance (although this may be Banner)

      He rode Steel in:
      The Conqueror
      Tall in the Saddle

      He Rode Alamo (owned by John Wayne) in:
      The Alamo
      McLintock!

      He rode Beau (owned by John Wayne) in:
      True Grit
      The War Wagon (possibly)
      The Comancheros (possibly)
      The Sons of Katie Elder (possibly)

      He rode Zip Cochise (owned by Howard Hawks) in:
      El Dorado

      He rode Dollor in:
      True Grit (his first film with John Wayne. He was 2 years old)
      Big Jake
      The Cowboys
      The Train Robbers
      Rooster Cogburn
      The Shootist (possibly)

      I'm still looking and researching. Watching movies and comparing known photos with the films. I don't why this thing has stuck in my craw the way it has, but I'm having fun doing it! Hope I'm not boring y'all with my prattlin' on, but thought I'd share what I've learned. Once this thing has run its course, if I come up with any more info, I'll let ya know. And by the way, thanks to Bill and ejgreen77 and etsija and ethan for helping me out with this.
      Best to all,
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Bob,

      I've always thought the horse JW refers to as "Sammy" in A Lady Takes A Chance was Steel, the horse he rode for his RKO films. I haven't checked it out carefully, though.

      "I am not intoxicated - yet." McLintock!

    • Hi Bob,
      I thought that he also rode Banner in the Rio Grande and Fort Apache.
      Regards,
      Vera
      Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Jul 28 2006, 06:49 AM
      Howdy All,
      Well so far, what I have come up with regarding the horses John Wayne rode is this:

      He rode Duke the Miracle Horse (real name Sheik) in:
      Haunted Gold
      The Telegraph Trail
      Somewhere in Sonora
      The Man from Monterey
      The Big Stampede
      Ride Him Cowboy

      He rode Starlight in:
      Pals of the Saddle
      Overland Stage Raiders
      Sante Fe Stampede
      Red River Range
      The Night Riders
      Three Texas Steers
      Wyoming Outlaw
      Riders of Destiny
      Westward Ho (possibly)
      The Sagebrush Trail (possibly)

      He rode Banner in:
      Angel and the Badman
      Hondo
      She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
      Three Godfathers

      He rode Sammy in:
      A Lady Takes A Chance (although this may be Banner)

      He rode Steel in:
      The Conqueror
      Tall in the Saddle

      He Rode Alamo (owned by John Wayne) in:
      The Alamo
      McLintock!

      He rode Beau (owned by John Wayne) in:
      True Grit
      The War Wagon (possibly)
      The Comancheros (possibly)
      The Sons of Katie Elder (possibly)

      He rode Zip Cochise (owned by Howard Hawks) in:
      El Dorado

      He rode Dollor in:
      True Grit (his first film with John Wayne. He was 2 years old)
      Big Jake
      The Cowboys
      The Train Robbers
      Rooster Cogburn
      The Shootist (possibly)

      I'm still looking and researching. Watching movies and comparing known photos with the films. I don't why this thing has stuck in my craw the way it has, but I'm having fun doing it! Hope I'm not boring y'all with my prattlin' on, but thought I'd share what I've learned. Once this thing has run its course, if I come up with any more info, I'll let ya know. And by the way, thanks to Bill and ejgreen77 and etsija and ethan for helping me out with this.
      Best to all,
      Colorado Bob
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    • Bob;

      You did a great job of Nailing down all of Duke's Horses from The Old Days. :rolleyes:

      Vera I think you are right about Fort Apache and Rio Grande. It is hard to remember after all these years. :angry: It has been over 50 Years ago when Duke made these Films. I put up one more page on Duke's Horses on the Site Below. Let me know if some of them are not right. :fear2:

      MORE OF DUKE'S HORSES

      Chilibill :cowboy:
    • Originally posted by William T Brooks@Jul 28 2006, 11:59 AM
      Bob;

      You did a great job of Nailing down all of Duke's Horses from The Old Days. :rolleyes:

      Vera I think you are right about Fort Apache and Rio Grande. It is hard to remember after all these years. :angry:  It has been over 50 Years ago when Duke made these Films. I put up one more page on Duke's Horses on the Site Below. Let me know if some of them are not right. :fear2:

      MORE OF DUKE'S HORSES

      Chilibill :cowboy:
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      Thanks Bill.
      You've saved me some research! I have to play the DVD's on my computer, take a screen capture of the horse, save it to my computer, then bring it up in another program and compare the photo to a known photo of the horse I am researching, comparing color, markings and size (if I can, based on people or other things near the horse). It is time consuming, but you've just saved me about a half hour.

      I think Vera is right about Banner in Fort Apache and Rio Grande, so I will add those two to my "Banner" list.

      ejgreen77, I am still not sure about "Sammy" being "Steel." I have read that Duke only rode Steel in two films, "The Conqueror" and "Tall in the Saddle," but that could be wrong. One thing I have noticed in researching John Wayne, is that some folks simply rely on research that others have done, without checking it out first. This often allows mistakes to creep in and be listed as fact. I think I'll make Lady Takes a Chance my next project and see just who "Sammy" is, if I can.

      I'll keep y'all updated.
      Best to all,
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Howdy All,
      I did a little more research, and what I'v ecome up with is this. John Wayne rode Sammy in Lady Takes a Chance. he also rode Sammy in The Conqueror, as his first horse. He later switched to Steel. John Wayne rode Steel in Tall in the Saddle also. Steel has a large white blaze and three white stockings. Sammy has a small white star right between his eyes. I could be wrong on this. Please feel free to correct me if I am. I am going to try and add a comparison photo of the two horses from these three films, and I'll keep y'all updated as I continue looking at John Wayne's horses.
      Best to all,
      Colorado Bob

      Files
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.
    • Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Jul 28 2006, 04:49 AM
      He rode Dollor in:
      True Grit (his first film with John Wayne. He was 2 years old)
      Big Jake
      The Cowboys
      The Train Robbers
      Rooster Cogburn
      The Shootist (possibly)


      I've had time to watch carefully only Rooster, Rio Lobo and Cowboys halfway so far, but I'm going to the bottom of this... If those paintings Chilibill posted are any proof, Dollor is the horse with 3 white legs and a blaze. That's the one in Rio Lobo (as long as Duke is in the army, in civilian he has a black star-head), but in Rooster and Cowboys he has a light sorrel with a stripe, white on muzzle and white hind legs - not Dollor. This horse also holds its head in a different way, bending on the neck, while Dollor has a habbit of throwing its head up.
      In the scene where mr Anderson ropes a calf in Cowboys, there's a third similar looking sorrel: white hind legs, but a larger blaze - the horse changes when the actual roping begins, apparently the star horse is not a cow-horse.
      The filly the boys help to break has a name in the movie, Crazy Alice.
      I don't believe in surrenders.

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