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  • I have a lot of respect for Sarah, especially the way she has held up under all of the criticism the the libs and the mainstream media have thrown at her. I would like to hear more specifics from her before I would vote for her. I think she is a class act.

  • She no different from the rest of the slimeballs. Obama's election has moved the US more to the left than any time in her history. Sarah Palin has tapped into this general unrest and unhappiness of this swing with the right wing electorate.

    She comes out with simplistic soundbites that go down well with her supporters but there is no substance. It is the electoral equilvalent of buying a hamburger without the meat or a empty tin of coke.

    Becoming President on a feel good factor or flying by the seat of our pants is not going to work. The last thing the US needs is another weak leader with a cabinet of cronies running their own operations.

    I would prefer a Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Ted Turner to become President at least they have been successful in what they have done in life and have reached the point in their lives where they want to give something back to the world as opposed to a greedy politician on the make.

    The next election is important. A serious candidate with a chance of winning needs to be selected because there are major problems to be resolved to halt the decline of the US.

  • I would prefer a Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Ted Turner to become President at least they have been successful in what they have done in life and have reached the point in their lives where they want to give something back to the world as opposed to a greedy politician on the make.



    You gotta be kiddin', Mike. Those three are just very, very slightly to the right of President Hussein Obama Socialist himself. I thought you've claimed to be a conservative.

    The next election is important. A serious candidate with a chance of winning needs to be selected because there are major problems to be resolved to halt the decline of the US.



    I'm curious. Why is an Irishman so interested in political happenings in the US of A? I'd think you should be more interested in what goes down in Ireland, Northern Ireland or England.

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  • Jim

    I think your definition of socialist is to say to least interesting!! I dont think too many left wingers would take Messr Buffett, Gates & Turner to their bosum and say hello comrade.

    As for my interest in US ( I could make comment as to how many Irish Americans have stuck their nose in our business for the last 40 years or how US politicians supported Iraq against Iran and the Taliban against Russians and created the monsters who now wage war on us but I WONT!)

    Lets just say the US is the best hope for democracy I dont particularly want a world dominated by militant islamism or owned by the chinese republic.

    I dread the thoughts of an empty headed right wing fundamentalist (not conservative) President who at best will pull down the shutters into isolationism and will not serve the people of the USA.

  • I dont particularly want a world dominated by militant islamism or owned by the chinese republic.



    Well, I agree with at least part of your post.

    Left unsaid in that part though is your obvious sentiment that American taxpayers should continue to be responsible for defense of the entire Western world. Let's face it, Mike, the US spends more on defense than all other Western countries combined.

    NATO is, and has been for most of its' life, a joke. And to this particular American taxpayer, not a very funny one.

    I wish someone could give us a believable explanation for why, 65 years after the end of WW2, American troops are still stationed in Europe and Japan. And why, about 55 years after the end of the Korean War, American troops are still stationed in Korea.

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  • I think your definition of socialist is to say to least interesting!! I dont think too many left wingers would take Messr Buffett, Gates & Turner to their bosum and say hello comrade.



    It's apparent, Mike, that you're totally misguided and/or ignorant of the true political inclinations of those three. Buffett and Turner, at least, are major donors to Democrat campaigns. As for Gates, I've never read of him contributing to either of the parties but it's for sure he's no conservative. If I had to place him, I'd say he's a perfect example of the fence-straddling middle-of-the roader.

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  • As for Gates, I've never read of him contributing to either of the parties but it's for sure he's no conservative. If I had to place him, I'd say he's a perfect example of the fence-straddling middle-of-the roader.



    I think this article is fairly accurate per Gates' politics. As I said, he's no conservative.

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  • It's apparent, Mike, that you're totally misguided and/or ignorant of the true political inclinations of those three. Buffett and Turner, at least, are major donors to Democrat campaigns. As for Gates, I've never read of him contributing to either of the parties but it's for sure he's no conservative. If I had to place him, I'd say he's a perfect example of the fence-straddling middle-of-the roader.



    I think the last time I looked the Democrats were still a legal party in the US just because they dont tick every box dont make them a rebel. It called free thinking if a few more Republicans thought less like sheep they would be a better party.



  • I could write a cheeky answer and say it saves the US a lot of wear and tear on transport going to goreign wars or give GIs the opportunity for foreign travel but I wont.

    The reasons US military forces are overseas are because it suits US military economic & political needs of your country. Wars fought against your enemies on foreign shores are wars that dont need to be fought on US land . 9/11 was a wake up call you cant immunise yourself against that sort of attack.

    Do you really think that pulling all your resources back to fortress USA would keep you safe. Your enemies would die laughing and it wouldnt be long before Alaska & Hawaii disappear from the 50 states.

    Remember my friend the last civilisation that isolated itself and built walls round its specified territory it went into rapid decline and was overrun by the barbarians.


  • I dread the thoughts of an empty headed right wing fundamentalist (not conservative) President who at best will pull down the shutters into isolationism and will not serve the people of the USA.



    Not trying to be smart or funny here (as I'm neither :laugh:), but what is the difference between a right wing fundamentalist and a true conservative? In my mind, both want to get our country back to following the true intent of the founders.

    Just askin'

    Jim

  • Not trying to be smart or funny here (as I'm neither :laugh:), but what is the difference between a right wing fundamentalist and a true conservative? In my mind, both want to get our country back to following the true intent of the founders.

    Just askin'

    Jim



    Hi Jim

    The number of fully functioning brain cells :))):

    I think the definition of fundamentalism covers

    Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to specific set of theological doctrines typically in reaction against what are perceived as modern heresies of secularism.

    Conservatism is basically open to a number of different interpretations.

    Mike

  • Remember my friend the last civilisation that isolated itself and built walls round its specified territory it went into rapid decline and was overrun by the barbarians.



    Well, Mike old buddy, don't you think that theory should apply to ALL countries and not just the US? What is it about you guys in Europe that you think it's the job of Americans to provide your defense?

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  • Well, Mike old buddy, don't you think that theory should apply to ALL countries and not just the US? What is it about you guys in Europe that you think it's the job of Americans to provide your defense?



    That's why the UK and France still have nuclear weapons. Germany is banned by treaty from having them. If you look at the attached list you will find UK number 3 after US & China considering population differences it is a sizeable amount.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…_by_military_expenditures

    Wonder, if Europe suddenly increased it military spending who would be the first to complain particularly if they sourced from Europe.

  • That's why the UK and France still have nuclear weapons. Germany is banned by treaty from having them. If you look at the attached list you will find UK number 3 after US & China considering population differences it is a sizeable amount.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…_by_military_expenditures

    Wonder, if Europe suddenly increased it military spending who would be the first to complain particularly if they sourced from Europe.



    I've read a couple of articles just this past week that the UK and France are pooling their defense resources in aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons because neither can (or wants to, more probably) afford to maintain those weapons systems on their own. It even said that the Royal Navy is practically gutting itself just to help build those two new carriers.

    If nothing else, this week's exchanges between me and thee have shown me that I'm a poor judge of character. For the past 3 or 4 years, your postings about politics convinced me that you were a hardline conservative, just like me, and now I discover you're actually a closet liberal. Shame on you, Mike. :argue:

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  • I've read a couple of articles just this past week that the UK and France are pooling their defense resources in aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons because neither can (or wants to, more probably) afford to maintain those weapons systems on their own. It even said that the Royal Navy is practically gutting itself just to help build those two new carriers.

    If nothing else, this week's exchanges between me and thee have shown me that I'm a poor judge of character. For the past 3 or 4 years, your postings about politics convinced me that you were a hardline conservative, just like me, and now I discover you're actually a closet liberal. Shame on you, Mike. :argue:



    Jim

    I am a freethinking conservative not one that follows the band with blind allegiance.

    Mike

  • [quote='Stumpy','http://dukewayne.com/bb/index.php?thread/&postID=96819#post96819']I've read a couple of articles just this past week that the UK and France are pooling their defense resources in aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons because neither can (or wants to, more probably) afford to maintain those weapons systems on their own. It even said that the Royal Navy is practically gutting itself just to help build those two new carriers.


    I think that idea lasted 0.0004 seconds political bandstanding at its best!

  • Jim

    I am a freethinking conservative not one that follows the band with blind allegiance.

    Mike



    It was those "freethinking" conservatives like Bush and his congressional allies that got us into the mess we're in, Mike. I blame them and their big-government, free-spending ways for the loss of both Congress and the presidency to Obama and his fellow Marxists. Because disgust with those ways led millions of true conservatives like me to go fishing on election days in 2006 and 2008.

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