Dances with Wolves (1990)

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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      Hate to disappoint you Carl but Kevin was the director.

      And if you remember correctly Dunbar(Costner) was being sent back to the fort(not sure which one) to be tried and possibly hung for fraternizing with the enemy(indians) when the Souix attacked and killed all the soldiers who had showed up at Fort Sedgewick(the outpost).

      While not a true story I think it depicts the plight of the Souix indians and what they endured during the expansion of the west by whites.

      I guess I am somewhat of a realist as I know that there was some bad things that were done to the indians during that period, for which the US govt. has paid for many times over and it needs to stop, so I din't mind the message that this movie portrayed. My dad didn't care for the movie because of similar views that you have Carl. I told him the same things. Let's agree to disagree. :)
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      Hi Todd, you got it (the agreeing part) ;-)) I do think that the Sioux Indians deal should be known but, this film just angered me in the way they showed it. I "got-the-message" of the film without having to see everything. What our govt did to the Indians back when, was terribly wrong. I mean, why the heck was it so hard for some of those (for lack of proper terminoligy) Indian Traders to just give them their correct amounts of food and other supplies. I mean, I know that was the most corrupt of American agencies in our history but, if I have a warehouse full of good food, and they Indians need to have it-i'd have let them have their supplies.
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      I figured that you would get the message of the movie Carl, no offense.

      I had a tough time the first time that I watched it. Too see the soldier's depicted the way they were was disheartening. I think that is what made my dad not much of a fan. He was brought up watching western's that showed the calvary soldiers as honorable men, ie Rio Grande, Fort Apache, ect..... and to see a different side to them and a ugly side to boot, it didn't sit well with him.
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      That's just it, there was an ugly side to the soldiers back then. Most of them were only there because they had nothing else going for them. So they joined the army to live. They hated their way of life, hated their officers and desertions were very high back then. And one of the most hated officers was Custer. The only ones in his command that liked him were his officers under him. The enlisted men didn't like him because he was a hard taskmaster. If you deserted, he'd have you shot. But, he got into trouble for it and that ceased. Being in the army, whether it was infantry or cavalry was a very hard life and I think parts of this movie shows that. We all grew up on watching John Fords cavalry films that showed that as being a big adventure, romantic, colorful and all those soldiers having a blast. But really, it was not.
    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      SXViper wrote:

      .... and to see a different side to them and a ugly side to boot, it didn't sit well with him.

      Todd,

      As sad as it may seem, I'm gettin' kind of old myself, and to tell the truth, I get a little tired of Hollywood's efforts at making our soldiers look bad, no matter what war they're in - with Indians, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc. While I perfectly understand our military isn't much more perfect than anyone else's, and we can commit just as bad atrocities as anyone else, when I go to the movies, I really don't like having it rubbed in my face. And the sad part - you don't really know just how much they may be exaggerating things. During the Indian wars, granted the Indians got ripped off big time by today's standards, but if you'll read historical accounts, the Indians were quite active at creating situations that brought about the animosity that was directed towards them. Let's face it, it wasn't a fine time in history for anyone. I'm not sure how anyone could have made it any better. But things do go in cycles, and now, it's the Indian's turn with their casinos to take it all back. :biggrin:

      Chester :newyear:
    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      I agree with the soldier assesments that everyone has, but I still like the movie. what I enjoy most is when Dunbar is getting to know the country/animals and then gettting to know the Souix indians. I thought that was very well done.
      Life is hard, its even harder when your stupid!!
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      SXViper wrote:

      I figured that you would get the message of the movie Carl, no offense.

      I had a tough time the first time that I watched it. Too see the soldier's depicted the way they were was disheartening. I think that is what made my dad not much of a fan. He was brought up watching western's that showed the calvary soldiers as honorable men, ie Rio Grande, Fort Apache, ect..... and to see a different side to them and a ugly side to boot, it didn't sit well with him.


      Hi Todd, none taken. I also think part of my "thing" against DWW is that I too were brought up on movies with a differance to them like the ones you mentioned. That movie would have been thought of by my Dad the same way as yours thought of it.
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      Here's something for all you Costner fans to chew on. It's funny, because the late, great, Richard Harris is one of my favorite, under-rated actors, yet I never thought of the similarities between A Man Called Horse and DWW. It's probably just because I haven't seen DWW for a looooong time.

      But I do think that A Man Called Horse was far more honest in showing that the Indians did some pretty awful things, too. DWW was very simplistic, and made the Indians look like candidates for sainthood.
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      I don't think Costner wrote the book or the screenplay so I cannot get how he can blame Costner for "stealing" those scenes from A Man Called Horse. If anything blame the writer of the book and the screenplay.
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      Heh heh, I was on another site where there was a thread that was about this movie. I nearly $%^^ed my pants when I read that someoen suggested that they rename this movie: "Dances With Weasels." Now THAT I can imagine ;-))
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    • Re: Classic Movie Westerns - Dances with Wolves (1990)

      chester7777 wrote:

      Not bad, not bad, still haven't watched it, but am getting closer.

      Chester :newyear:


      I hate to dissappoint Todd more by blasting this movie but, I wouldn't even bother watching it unless you wan't about 3 hrs of boredom. No offenses meant towards Todd. If you want to get you "fix" of Kevin Costner-re-watch The Untouchables.
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