1. Josephine Alicia Saenz

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    • 1. Josephine Alicia Saenz

      31486707_125150138543.jpg JOESPHINE ALICI SAENZ

      Information From Wikipedia.

      Date of Birth
      1909

      Date of Death
      24 June 2003
      Los Angeles, California
      Cause of death-Cancer

      Born
      Josephine Alicia Saenz Morrison

      Religious beliefs Catholic

      Children
      Michael Wayne
      Mary Antonia "Toni" Wayne LaCava
      Patrick Wayne
      Melinda Wayne Munoz

      Parents
      José Saenz

      Spouse
      Cyril Nigg 1996- death
      John Wayne1933-1944

      Biography
      "Josie" was born daughter to Consul General of Panama in the United States
      José Saenz a wealthy businessman who lived in Los Angeles, California.
      She was 15 or 16 when she met John Wayne, an actor in college still
      named Marion Morrison, while at a beach party in Balboa, California.
      Their relationship met with considerable resistance from her family
      because he was not a Catholic but rather a Presbyterian.
      After courting for seven years, however, Wayne's
      financial status improved considerably due to his
      success at the box office and he was able to convince her family
      to allow the marriage. The couple married June 24, 1933,
      in a garden ceremony at Loretta Young's home.

      Their union produced four children:

      Michael Wayne (film producer, b. November 23, 1934, d. April 2, 2003),
      Mary Antonia "Toni" Wayne LaCava (b. February 25, 1936, d. December 6, 2000),
      Patrick Wayne (actor, b. July 15, 1939),
      and Melinda Wayne Munoz (b. December 3, 1940).

      After a few years, the marriage was in trouble.
      Wayne worked long hours at his career,
      which his wife found hard to accept.
      He was always surrounded by associates from the film world,
      which did not please Josephine.
      The couple also had differences of opinion about how their children should be raised.
      Consequently, in 1943 they separated and the marriage ended
      in divorce on November 29 1944

      Josephine Morrison died in 2003, of cancer.

      A previous thread is here:-

      Josephine Wayne
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

      The post was edited 16 times, last by ethanedwards ().

    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

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      Duke met, Josephine a great beauty,
      with enormous black eyes and long thick lashes,
      on a blind date.
      He was originally paired with her sister Carmen,
      but was invited to walk her home.
      It was to prove a union that was hard to maintain,
      with the Saenz family totally opposed to what they considered,
      Duke's rowdy, drunken, brawling high spirited college way of life.
      With no breeding, little or no prospects, Duke was not welcome,
      in this upper class Hispanic family,
      and he was not even a Catholic!
      This got worse as his movie career developed
      and was constantly surrounded by, in their eyes,
      his equally loutish movie friends.

      It was October 30 1943, when Josephine Wayne
      sued her husband for divorce, charging him with extreme cruelty!
      On November 29 1944, their divorce became final.
      Joesphine announced to the press,
      Because of my religion..
      I regard divorce as a purely civil action,
      in no way affecting the moral staus of my marriage.

      She continued to regard herself as Mrs. John Wayne,
      and in her mind, she was the only legal wife, he ever had!
      Indeed the children of that marriage, had trouble
      accepting their father's later marriages,
      and because of their religious training,
      considered their father and mother, to be still married!

      After the divorce Joesphine devoted herself,
      to her children and church events.
      having no intention of remarrying, whilst Duke was still alive.
      Along with Loretta Young and Irene Dunne,
      Josephine emerged as a leading lady figure,
      within Hollywood's Catholic enclave.

      Pilar Wayne recalled.
      Duke told me, he walked away from the marriage,
      with his clothes, his car and an overwhelming guilt,
      he never completely put behind him.

      When Duke's marriage to Chata, was deteriorating.
      his relationship with Joesphine improved.
      After their divorce, Jose's patrician and prudish attitudes
      bothered him less, since they no longer threatened him.
      From a distance, he could admire her dignity.
      She never made the children hate me
      Duke said with gratitude
      I destroyed my first marriage..
      I was a different man, back then.
      I was much more selfish
      Joesphine by her own choice,
      was not present at Duke's funeral,
      Aissa remarked at the time,
      I merely stood back, and fumed,
      watching my father denied, a fitting farewell
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

      The post was edited 20 times, last by ethanedwards ().

    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      Here is a photo of the wedding to Jose. The Maid of Honor is Loretta Young.

      [IMG:http://www.dukewayne.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=20]

      Mark
      "I couldn't go to sleep at night if the director didn't call 'cut'. "
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      We were trying to find out if she had lived or died. We were not sure, and debated this when Michael died. It seems that she died before her two children. Thanks for the information, Keith.

      She was my grandfather's age by the year. He was born in 1909. He died in April 2007 at the age of 97 years, two months shy of his 98th birthday.

      Cheers :cool:
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      "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it"
      - John Wayne quote
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      Here is Michael's obit form Variety. It says he was survived by his mother Josephine Wayne Nigg which would mean she had remarried.

      http://www.accessmylibrary.com…summary_0286-23123213_ITM

      MICHAEL WAYNE

      Michael Wayne, eldest son of John Wayne and a film producer in his own right, died in Burbank, Calif., April 2 from heart failure, after surgery. He was 68 and had been suffering from Lupus.

      He produced films for 40 years, mainly pics starring his father, including "McLintock," "Brannigan," "Cahill U.S. Marshall," "The Train Robbers," "Chisum" and "Cast a Giant Shadow." Michael produced while John Wayne directed and starred in "The Green Berets," "Big Jake," "The War Wagon" and "The Alamo."

      L.A. native was known as a hard-nosed businessman who kept a tight rein on his productions. After his father's death, he focused on protecting the John Wayne legacy, including careful attention to the use of "The Duke's" likeness.

      He became an active member of the Hollywood community, serving as vice chairman of the board of trustees of the Motion Picture & Television Fund as well as president and chairman of the board of the John Wayne Foundation.

      Michael and wife Gretchen Ann Wayne spearheaded the annual Odyssey ball fund-raiser staged by the John Wayne Cancer Institute.

      He is survived by his wife; his mother, Josephine Wayne Nigg; two brothers; three sisters; and five children
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      Hondo Duke Lane wrote:

      We were trying to find out if she had lived or died. We were not sure, and debated this when Michael died. It seems that she died before her two children. Thanks for the information, Keith.

      She was my grandfather's age by the year. He was born in 1909. He died in April 2007 at the age of 97 years, two months shy of his 98th birthday.

      Cheers :cool:


      I stand corrected. She died after her two oldest children. She lived a little over two months after Michael did.

      Cheers :cool:
      [IMG:http://www.jwaynefan.com/images/gallery/libvalance.jpg]

      "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it"
      - John Wayne quote
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      may2, Keith supplied the information, according to Wikipedia, which is posted above.

      Cheers :cool: Hondo
      [IMG:http://www.jwaynefan.com/images/gallery/libvalance.jpg]

      "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it"
      - John Wayne quote
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      I found her obit in the June 26, 2003 LA Times.

      She died peacefully in her sleep June 24. She had 22 grandchildren and 19 great grandchildren. She was a life long volunteer.

      "She found great happiness in 1996 whebn she married Cyril Nigg, a well known LA businessman."

      In lieu of flowers, donations could be made to the John Wayne Cancer Institute.

      The funeral was to be held June 27.
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      ethanedwards wrote:

      Consequently, in 1943 they separated and the marriage ended in divorce on Christmas Day, December 25, 1945.


      ethanedwards wrote:

      It was October 30 1943, when Josephine Wayne sued her husband for divorce, charging him with extreme cruelty!
      On November 29 1944, their divorce became final.

      Keith,

      Let me preface my remarks with the comment that I am not trying to find fault, but looking to make our information as accurate as humanly possible. The two sources above are obviously contradictory, although in light of "recent developments" the second scenario seems more likely. I don't remember where I read it, but I remember reading a comment by Michael Wayne recalling his parents divorcing when he was nine years old, which would also lend credence to the 1943 split.

      What was the source for your second entry? I know the first one was from Wikipedia, which we know is not always the most accurate (but once we figure out the "real" facts, we can update Wikipedia to reflect that).

      Do any of the biographical books on Duke help with this? Or just make the water more muddy?

      Chester :newyear:
    • Re: Duke's Wives- Josephine Alicia Saenz

      Jim,
      the waters are indeed muddy relating to Joesphine.
      It's taken this long to establish when she died!!
      Thanks for pointing out the error of my two different dates
      I've edited the biog to reflect the second date,
      as this was taken from my research in Duke's biographies.
      One can only assume therefore that Wikipedia are incorrect
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

      The post was edited 3 times, last by ethanedwards ().