Up the River (1930)

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    There are 41 replies in this Thread. The last Post () by arthurarnell.

    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      Hi Elly and Kieth

      I agree with you about release dates but Men Without Women with a release date of Jan 31st 1930 and Born Reckless of May 11th 1930 would appear to easily pre date the Big Trail which according to Fred Landesman, was shot between April and July 1930 with a release date of October 24th 1939.

      As the Big Trail was shot during that three month period in the Fox Studios at Culver City, Yuma, Arizona, Sequoia National Park, Yellowstone National Park, Grand Tetons Park; Jackson Hole, Wyoming: and Moiese, Montana I would think that Wayne was busy travelling around the United States at the time

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      Hi

      Thinking about the age Duke born 26th May 1907 by May 1930 he would be celebrating his 23rd birthday. With the Big Trail being shot between April and July it is concievable that Duke turned up on the Ford lot just after his birthday.

      It makes a good detective puzzle.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      arthurarnell wrote:

      Hi

      Thinking about the age Duke born 26th May 1907 by May 1930 he would be celebrating his 23rd birthday. With the Big Trail being shot between April and July it is concievable that Duke turned up on the Ford lot just after his birthday.

      It makes a good detective puzzle.

      Regards

      Arthur


      Hi Arthur

      Yes a good point about his birthday, he could well have been 23.

      thanks for pointing that out.

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    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      Hi Jim'

      With the numbers of people around during the late twenties and early thirties dropping even more rapidly than ever more due to Tempus Fugit I would think that meeting any of the criteria you have set would be unlikely in the extreme.

      Thinking seriously though, I feel that what we can or have to do is follow the route started so well by Elly and although I share her distrust of hacks trying to make easy money by going down the same route of repeating tired out stories, if enough of us research the more respectable authors and books and, and there are some out there, which will enable us to discuss among ourselfs bits and pieces picked up by this means. We might go someway towards completing a reasonably good history.

      For example although the actual date that Up The River began shooting is unknown, what is known is that shooting lasted seventeen days and that Spencer Tracy was appearing on the New York stage in the play 'The Last Mile' and was given two weeks leave of absence to appear in Ford's picture.

      With operating delays in scripting etc Tracy shook Ford by refusing to extend that leave of absence.

      As I said yesterday it might make a good detective story or even a massive jigsaw puzzle but I believe we have the sufficiently motivated and able people to undertake this after all this motivation is what makes this board so superior.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      Well said Arthur

      Now if you can find out for me please when Tracy's leave of abscence was we might be able to make an educated guess as to when shooting took place.

      And yes there are some good reliable books out there that document accurately the films of JW. Fred Landesman's book being the obvious one.

      thanks Elly

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    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      According to the book Spencer Tracy Fox Film Actor: The Pre-Code Legacy of a Hollywood Legend, Tracy arrived in Hollywood in the summer of 1930 to make Up the River. He had taken six weeks' leave from a play in New York, of which he was obligated to appear for several more months.

      Somewhere else I read that Tracy left New York for California in June 1930 to make Up the River, but I can't remember the source.

      It doesn't pinpoint the production date but does narrow it down based on an October 1930 premiere.
    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      RoughRider wrote:

      According to the book Spencer Tracy Fox Film Actor: The Pre-Code Legacy of a Hollywood Legend, Tracy arrived in Hollywood in the summer of 1930 to make Up the River. He had taken six weeks' leave from a play in New York, of which he was obligated to appear for several more months.

      Somewhere else I read that Tracy left New York for California in June 1930 to make Up the River, but I can't remember the source.

      It doesn't pinpoint the production date but does narrow it down based on an October 1930 premiere.


      Hi Neil

      thanks for this information. I think we need to bear in mind that we are talking about JW being involved in a very MINOR way with this film. Perhaps less than one days work.

      JW himself said "A funny thing happened with Ford after The Big Trail. He was a strange character, you know. After I did that picture, I came back, and he was making Up the River."

      Big trail was shot April to July so I really do not see why JW could NOT have had a small role in this film?

      Dan Ford said that Fox were going to cancel this film after the release by MGM of "the big house" 14th June 1930. However Ford persuaded Fox to let it be made as a comedy and Ford & others spent 2 weeks rewriting it as a comedy. If that is the case then shooting on Up the river started end June early July at the earliest.

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    • Re: MYSTERY FILM with JW?

      arthurarnell wrote:


      As I said yesterday it might make a good detective story or even a massive jigsaw puzzle but I believe we have the sufficiently motivated and able people to undertake this after all this motivation is what makes this board so superior.
      Regards
      Arthur


      Another factor this board displays, is the very positive way the moderators and members try to work with everyone, in a positive lite, encouraging them on to Greater heights.

      Chester :newyear:
    • Re: John Ford- Up the River (1930)

      Hi

      I think the point here is that Ford completely blanked Duke not once but twice as he approached him almost as if he wasn't welcome on the lot never mind the set.

      When Tracy arrived along with Humphrey Bogart Ford immediately took to Tracy they became great drinking buddies and spent all their time together.
      Bogart made the mistake of calling Ford Jack without being invited to and during the shooting of his scenes Ford referred to him as 'was that scene ok for you Mr Bogart'.

      I think that as was the case with George O'Brien at that time Ford had time for one friend at a time it wasn't until much later with his 'stock company'that he gathered a fraternity around him.
      During his early career he was considered a loner and a man who kept himself and his thoughts to himself.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: John Ford- Up the River (1930)

      Hi

      The Broadway data base is very sketchy about 'The Last Mile' stating that the play opened 0n Feb 13th 1930 and ran until October 1930.

      Spencer tracy's biography on Wikipedia (and I am aware of that medias reputation) states the following:-

      ' In 1930 Broadway was being heavily scouted for actors to work in the new film medium of talkies and Tracy was drawn into the process. Within a month of the opening of 'The Last Mile' he masde his screen debut in a Vitaphone short called'Taxi Talks'. This was followed by a second short The Hard Guy'. One of the scouts who saw Tracy in The Last Mile was director John Ford. Ford's next picture was set to be in a prison movies and he wanted Tracy for the lead role.'

      If that is true then Tracy's screen debut would be around March in New York. This shortens the time spell I will continue to dig around.


      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Re: John Ford- Up the River (1930)

      RoughRider wrote:

      The information I quoted, Elly, was not to refute things but to substantiate them.


      Hello Neil

      I am so sorry I can see how you thought that, that was what I was doing.

      I was in fact replying to several posts within one and I should have made that clear.

      I also should have replied at a time was I was not so tired.

      But, I think we have concurred about the production time as you have said Tracy left New York in June and I have quoted Dan Ford saying that Fox were going to cancel but Ford persuded them to rewrite it as a comedy which was mid June. (taking 2 weeks)

      Also I read in the posts that Ford asked Tracy to extend his leave of absence for another 2 weeks. (which was originally for six weeks)

      so lets assume start date 1st July + 6 weeks takes us to mid August + another 2 weeks for reshooting scenes (without Tracy as he did not extend his LOA) etc. we are now at September. I assume that there is then an editing process and other techie things that have to happen? and the release date was 12th October.

      And of course whilst all of this was going on JW shocked Ford with his impromptu walk on, so that's why Ford blanked him. Ford thought JW was getting above himself, walking into his picture without permission!! LOL

      sound reasonable?



      My sincere apologies.

      Elly

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