Silverado (1985)

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    • Silverado (1985)



      Plot Summary
      In 1880, four men travel together to the city of Silverado.
      They come across many dangers before they finally engage the "bad guys"
      and bring peace and equality back to the city.
      Written by Chris Makrozahopoulos

      Full Cast
      Kevin Kline ... Paden
      Scott Glenn ... Emmett
      Kevin Costner ... Jake
      Danny Glover... Mal
      Marvin J. McIntyre ... Clerk
      Brad Leland ... Trooper (as Brad Williams)
      Sheb Wooley ... Cavalry Sergeant
      Jon Kasdan ... Boy at Outpost
      John Cleese ... Sheriff Langston
      Todd Allen ... Deputy Kern
      Bill Thurman ... Carter
      Meg Kasdan ... Barmaid
      Dick Durock ... Bar Fighter
      Gene Hartline ... Bar Fighter
      Autry Ward ... Hat Thief
      Rosanna Arquette ... Hannah
      Rusty Meyers ... Conrad
      James Gammon ... Dawson
      Troy Ward ... Baxter
      Kenny Call ... Deputy Block
      Brian Dennehy ... Cobb
      Linda Hunt ... Stella
      Jeff Goldblum ... Slick
      Ray Baker ... McKendrick
      Joe Seneca ... Ezra
      Lynn Whitfield ... Rae
      Jeff Fahey ... Tyree
      Jake Kasdan ... Stable Boy (as Jacob Kasdan)
      Patricia Gaul ... Kate
      Zeke Davidson ... Mr. Parker
      Amanda Wyss ... Phoebe
      Lois Geary ... Mrs. Parker
      Earl Hindman ... J.T.
      Thomas Wilson Brown ... Augie (as Tom Brown)
      Roy McAdams ... Tall outlaw
      Jim Haynie ... Bradley
      Richard Jenkins ... Kelly
      Jerry Biggs ... Bartender
      Sam Gauny ... Deputy Garth
      Ken Farmer ... Deputy Kyle
      Bill McIntosh ... Deputy Charlie
      Charles Seybert ... Shopkeeper
      Jane Beauchamp ... Neighbor Woman
      Jerry Block ... Townsman
      Ben Zeller ... Townsman
      Pepe Serna ... Scruffy
      Ted White ... Hoyt
      Ross Loney ... Red
      Walter Scott ... Swann
      Bob Terhune ... Guard Cowboy
      Mark Kasdan ... Doc Skinner (scenes deleted)
      Matthew Hotsinpiller ... Townsperson (uncredited)
      Brion James ... Hobart (uncredited)
      Richard Lester ... Saloon patron (uncredited)
      Bob Morgan ... McKendrick Man (uncredited)

      Michael Grillo ... executive producer
      Lawrence Kasdan ... producer
      Mark Kasdan ... associate producer
      Charles Okun ... executive producer

      Bruce Broughton

      John Bailey ... director of photography

      In the scene where Augie tries to jump on Jake's horse and falls to the ground,
      the horse is wearing Jake's hat.
      This was Costner's idea just before the camera's rolled to keep with his character's goofy nature.
      Kasdan loved the idea and it stayed in the film.

      In keeping with his English character, Sheriff John Langston (John Cleese) of Turley
      is armed with an English Enfield Mark II double action revolver.
      Although correct for the time period of the movie, Silverado (1985)
      apparently marks the only ever appearance of this weapon
      in an American western film.

      The set for Silverado (1985) was built for this movie and has since been used
      in such movies as Young Guns (1988), Wyatt Earp (1994) (also starring Kevin Costner),
      Last Man Standing (1996), Lonesome Dove (1989), All the Pretty Horses (2000)
      and Wild Wild West (1999) (also starring Kevin Kline).

      In the latter film, as a reference to director Lawrence Kasdan,
      "Kasdan Ironworks" can be seen on the side of one of the buildings.

      Kevin Costner was offered the role of Jake by Lawrence Kasdan,
      in part to make up for his role in The Big Chill (1983) being cut out of that film.

      John Cleese's first line, "What's all this then?", is a Monty Python in-joke,
      as that line was often uttered by policemen upon entering the scene
      of a crime on Monty Python's Flying Circus (1969).

      Cook Ranch, twenty-five miles from the heart of Santa Fe, New Mexico,
      served as the site for the town of Silverado.
      Production designer Ida Random and set designers Bill Elliott (aka William A. Elliott),
      Chas. Butcher, and Richard McKenzie had the challenging task of totally
      creating the forty building western town.
      From a vast body of historical reference, Random and her team,
      and a construction crew of 140, designed and built such structures as the Midnight Star Saloon, a hotel, and a church. Construction coordinator Clarence Lynn Price and his able crew completed the town in twelve weeks, in less than desirable conditions . . . below freezing temperatures and winds as high as sixty miles per hour.

      When Paden (Kevin Kline) is in his long red underwear talking with Cobb,
      Deputy Kyle (Ken Farmer) comes up and spits tobacco on the ground between Kline's legs.
      The spitting, and the look the two men exchange, is all improvised.

      Earl Hindman plays Wilson on Home Improvement (1991) where the lower half of his face
      is always obscured. In the scene where the house is on fire,
      he appears gagged, with the lower half of his face obscured.

      The planned sequel, as reflected in the films final line, never materialized.

      Director and producer Lawrence Kasdan cast two of his children and his wife
      in small roles in the film.
      His brother and co-writer Mark Kasdan
      also had a small role as a doctor that was filmed but ended up on the cutting room floor.

      Debut theatrical feature film of actor Richard Jenkins.

      First ever western of Kevin Costner who would later go on to star in
      Wyatt Earp (1994), Open Range (2003) and his Best Picture Oscar winning
      Dances with Wolves (1990) which won seven Academy Awards in total.

      Responsible for the film's more than 100 horses, 500 cattle, pigs, chickens
      and other assorted animals, all necessary to create a real atmosphere,
      were livestock coordinator Corky Randall and his wranglers.
      Randall and stunt coordinator Jerry Gatlin spent four weeks with the stars,
      rehearsing them in the art of riding.

      Eaves Ranch, aka Eaves Movie Ranch, used for the filming of such features as
      The Cheyenne Social Club (1970), Butch and Sundance: The Early Days (1979),
      A Gunfight (1971) and Red Sky at Morning (1971), was transformed into
      the Mexican village and cavalry outpost of Chimayo. The town of Turley,
      which all four of the film's heroes pass through, was also constructed
      on the Eaves Ranch.
      Remnants of past film sets were restored, along with the complete construction
      of eight additional buildings to create an authentic 1880s setting.

      The Rio Grande River and the Tesuque and Nambe areas were the settings
      for some of the film's action packed chases.

      The Midnight Star Saloon was purchased some time around 2001
      and moved to Melody Ranch Studio in California, where it can now be seen in its western town.

      Most of Rosanna Arquette' s scenes apparently ended up on the cutting room floor,
      including what was implied as a romance with Kevin Kline's character, Paden.
      For an actress with little screen time, she received very high billing in the opening credits.

      Despite the notorious financial and critical failure of the epic western
      Heaven's Gate (1980), within five years Hollywood had produced
      a new mini-cycle of westerns.
      In 1985, in addition to this film, there was Pale Rider (1985),
      Lust in the Dust (1985), and Rustlers' Rhapsody (1985), then ¡Three Amigos! (1986)
      followed the next year.

      Second of six cinema movie collaborations [to date, September 2015]
      of actor Kevin Kline and director Lawrence Kasdan.
      The films include Silverado (1985), Grand Canyon (1991), French Kiss (1995),
      The Big Chill (1983), Darling Companion (2012) and I Love You to Death (1990).

      Three of the movie's lead actors had been previously cast in Lawrence Kasdan's
      earlier film The Big Chill (1983), they being Kevin Kline, Jeff Goldblum,
      and Kevin Costner. However, the latter's scenes all got deleted,
      so only two of them appeared in the final cut of The Big Chill (1983), but all three appear in Silverado (1985). Actress Patricia Gaul also appeared in both pictures in minor roles.

      The principal photography period on this film's production ran for
      approximately ninety-six days.

      With a cast and crew of 204, Silverado was scheduled to shoot for only sixty-six days,
      entirely on location in and around Santa Fe, New Mexico, it being the oldest capital
      and second oldest city in the United States of America.

      The picture began principal photography on 26th November 1984 after four weeks of rehearsals.

      The third theatrical feature film directed by Lawrence Kasdan.

      One of numerous collaborations of editor Carol Littleton and writer-director Lawrence Kasdan.

      The movie's closing credits declare that the picture was "filmed entirely on location in New Mexico".

      Debut theatrical feature film of actor Jeff Fahey.

      The picture was nominated for two Academy Awards - for Best Sound and Best Original
      - but failed to win an Oscar in either category.

      With a cast of 54, plus 500 extras, the enormous task of designing and preparing
      costumes fell to costume designer Kristi Zea and her staff of four.
      Through extensive research and conferences with director Lawrence Kasdan,
      Zea and her talented team created distinctly different silhouettes,
      especially for the four heroes, to make them instantly identifiable on screen.

      First of two westerns of director Lawrence Kasdan, whose second would be Wyatt Earp (1994).
      Both movies starred Kevin Costner, and were made nine years apart.

      The nickname of Calvin Stanhope (Jeff Goldblum) was "Slick".

      Actress Meg Kasdan said that when she, the barmaid in the scene
      where Mal comes in to get a drink and a bed, and her two sons
      who play young kids who each had one line like their
      appear briefly in this film and also in The Big Chill (1983),
      it was their way of "sending a postcard" to friends and family
      to show them how they were doing.

      The picture features a natural landscape environment as a key setting,
      which has been the trademark of such Lawrence Kasdan written
      and/or directed movies such as Silverado (1985), Wyatt Earp (1994),
      Darling Companion (2012), Grand Canyon (1991), Continental Divide (1981),
      and Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981).

      First of three films to co-star Kevin Kline and John Cleese.
      They would also work together in "A Fish Called Wanda" and "Fierce Creatures".
      Interestingly too, John Cleese took over Kevin Kline's role as the Police commissioner
      in Steve Martin's "Pink Panther" film series.

      The cast included one actor and one actress, who have won Best Supporting Acting Academy Awards.
      Kevin Kline for A Fish Called Wanda (1988), and Linda Hunt for
      The Year of Living Dangerously (1982).

      Following completion of principal photography, editor Carol Littleton and director
      Lawrence Kasdan moved to Los Angeles to complete the film's post-production.

      Two of the movie's lead cast were first named "Kevin" -
      they being actors Kevin Kline and Kevin Costner.

      Tent Rocks, Pecos River and Ghost Ranch offered the varied terrains, such as desert,
      meadows and rocky inclines, necessary for some of the film's more panoramic scenes
      created by director of photography John Bailey.

      In the final scene, Cobb is standing in front of the desert ,
      which looks like the abyss.
      Paden is standing in front of the church. Classic good versus evil.

      After the duel between Cobb and Paden and in the final scene, a 50-star US flag
      is visible hanging in front of a building.
      In the 1880s, this should have been a 38-star flag.

      'Float' glass is used in window glazing throughout the film,
      a flatter more uniform glass made in large sheets by a modern industrial rolling process
      not available at the time. Glass used in 1880 Silverado should be wavy 'cylinder'
      glass of the period. Cylinder glass was made by hand blowing glass into cylinders
      which are then cut down the side in a straight line when cooled,
      reheated and flattened out into small panes with noticeably irregular surfaces.

      The movie is set in the early 1880s. When the settlers open their cash box
      to show Baxter and Hawley the money they've been promised to escort the settlers
      to Silverado, we see the 1886 Martha Washington $1 silver certificate,
      the 1917 George Washington $1 legal tender note, the 1907 (or 1922)
      Michael Hillegas $10 gold certificate, and the 1907 Andrew Jackson $5 legal tender note.
      The 1917 Washington $1 is distinguishable from other issues by two indicators:
      the small red seal on the left, and the serial number below the seal,
      which is not in a dark gray box. The 1907 Jackson $5 is distinguishable
      from other issues by two indicators: the small red seal on the right,
      and the small red Roman Numeral V on the left. The 1907 (or 1922)
      Michael Hillegas $10 gold certificate is distinguishable from the
      1922 Ulysses Grant $50 gold certificate by the shape of the white shirt
      in the portrait at center, and by the lower-right corner border around the encircled number.

      Pane glass is shown being used throughout the film.
      However, this wasn't available in large quantities until the early 20th century
      20-30 after the setting the of the film.
      Any glass used in Silverado should be wave type of glass.

      Paden's horse changes as they ride away from Turley with the posse in pursuit.
      At first it has a white star on its forehead, but later it has a white stripe
      the length of its nose.

      When Jake exits the saloon and shoots two bad guys simultaneously, the pistol
      in his right hand is clearly pointed at the ground when it is discharged,
      the muzzle blast and smoke follow a trajectory at a downward angle toward Tyree's boots.
      Today they could have easily fixed this problem if had they used a
      non-firing replica weapon and added the muzzle flash and smoke plume as a visual effect in post.
      All the VFX editor would have to do is wait a fraction of a second longer
      in Jake's draw as the pistol came to level before adding the gunshot effects.

      During the showdown in Silverado, Emmett is shot in his right leg,
      in a spot visible from most angles.
      After racing the horse to another end of town, and killing him,
      there is a shot of Emmett on the horse where you can see almost his entire right leg,
      and no bullet hole is visible, either in his leg or pants.

      Jake's paint horse changes throughout the movie.
      There are at least three paints that he uses.
      When the little boy is rescued by Jake and Emmett, the horse's rump coloring changes
      from the time the little boy looks down to Jake and when he jumps from the roof top
      to land on the horse.

      In most scenes, the breath of the actors and the horses is not seen even though
      it is supposed to be in the winter.

      When Emmet is caught by the deputies, the second lasso catches him around the ankles.
      In the next shot, this rope is up around his thighs and his feet are free,
      and then in the next shot the rope is back around his ankles.

      The gallows in Turley, when on fire; in the latter scene the flames are a
      lot less intense than the previous scene, and there is less damage to the gallows
      in the latter scene.

      During the final showdown we see shadows from the buildings on the left,
      but in the next shot there are no shadows at all.

      In the final conflict scene when Jake is riding bareback on his Pinto
      into town to confront his nemesis, his reins are tied in a knot.
      When he arrives at the hitching post in town, however, the reins are draped loosely
      over the Pinto's back.

      There are numerous errors where snow is visible and snow is not visible.

      While saving Augie from McKendrick's ranch, when Emmett jumps through the window,
      the gun of the bad guy holding Augie isn't cocked. When the camera angle changes,
      and Emmett shoots him, his gun is now cocked.

      When Slick looks for Rae and discovers Stella's secret hideout,
      he runs to it and looks out towards the street in front of the tavern.
      You can still see people walking around, even though everyone cleared the streets
      when they heard a shootout was about to occur.

      As Rae is coming down the stairs to talk to Mal when they see each other for the first time,
      her dress has a ruffle across her shoulders, flapping in the breeze.
      She talks to Mal and the camera cuts between them,and also has a side view.
      When the camera cuts back to her, the ruffle is neatly tucked into her shawl
      without her having adjusted her shawl at all.

      When Paden shoots Cobb, the wide angle view shows Cobb starting to spin to his left.
      In the solo shot immediately after that, in addition to a pause that should
      not be shown as Cobb reacts to the bullet hitting, he spins the other direction before falling.

      Crew or equipment visible
      In the saloon in Turley, there is a shadow in the doorway behind the bar of the actor
      playing the saloon keeper waiting for his cue. He comes out to confront Mal.

      Factual errors
      Making his escape from the jail Danny Glover's character throws a knife
      with his thick arm stuck through the bars and kills the deputy instantaneously
      with a deeply penetrating knife wound to the chest.
      he throw angle has been cheated to make it look like he has room to freely throw
      the knife making the throw trajectory nearly parallel to the jail cell bars
      when in reality the entrance door the the deputy enters the room through
      is directly opposite, perpendicular to Glover's position in his cell.
      Glover couldn't have drawn his arm back far enough to impart much force to the big knife.
      The knife would have had to been thrown with great force in order to break
      or slice through the bone of the deputy's rib cage/sternum and penetrate deeply enough
      into the heart or lungs to inflict a fatal wound.
      This type of wound isn't instantly fatal as portrayed, exsanguination would take minutes,
      the deputy would not hit the floor instantaneously upon impact of the knife.
      He would be animate, still breathing and writhing until eventually
      losing consciousness from blood loss or drowning from blood accumulating in the lungs.

      If Jake and Emmitt have the last name of Hollis, why do his sister,
      brother-in-law, and little Augie also use the last name of Hollis?

      The story takes place in the winter, and in the mountains (snow on the ground)
      so why are the women wearing sleeveless tops?

      Revealing mistakes
      Emmett is left handed throughout the movie.
      In the shootout at the end he has the gun in his left hand and the very next scene
      he gets shot in the right leg and his gun drops out of his right hand
      instead of being in the left hand where it was prior.

      When Mal stabs Slick rescuing Rae in the shed, the rifle shown leaning up
      against the wall is not a Henry. (Note side feed port). A Winchester.

      After saving the wagon trains money from the gang in the canyon, Emmet,
      Paden and Mal are sitting on horseback talking as the wagon train moves
      from right to left behind them.
      One wagon can be seen with the wagon tongue clearly broken and being dragged behind the lead team. The only way the team is attached to the wagon is by the reins in the drivers hands.

      Memorable Quotes

      Filming Locations
      White Rock, New Mexico, USA (opening scene)
      Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA
      Ghost Ranch, Abiquiu, New Mexico, USA
      Abiquiu, New Mexico, USA
      Cook Ranch, Galisteo, New Mexico, USA
      Eaves Movie Ranch - 105 Rancho Alegre Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Galisteo, New Mexico, USA
      Nambe, New Mexico, USA
      White Rock Overlook, Black Mesa, New Mexico, USA
      Bonanza Creek Ranch - 15 Bonanza Creek Lane, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Santa Ana Pueblo, New Mexico, USA
      Tent Rocks, Cochiti Pueblo, New Mexico, USA
      Best Wishes
      London- England

      The post was edited 2 times, last by ethanedwards ().

    • Silverado is a 1985 American western film produced and directed by Lawrence Kasdan,
      written by Kasdan and his brother Mark.
      It stars Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Danny Glover and Kevin Costner.
      The supporting cast features Brian Dennehy, Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Jeff Goldblum and Linda Hunt.

      The film was produced by Columbia Pictures and Delphi III Productions,
      and distributed to theatres by Columbia, and by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment for home media.
      The original soundtrack, with a score composed by Bruce Broughton, was released by Geffen Records.
      On November 12, 2005, an expanded two-disc version of the score was released by the Intrada Records label.

      Silverado premiered in the United States on July 12, 1985.
      It grossed $32,192,570 at the box office, recouping its $23 million production budget.
      Through an 11-week run, the film was shown at 1,190 theaters at its widest release.

      Generally met with positive critical reviews,
      it was nominated for Best Sound and Best Original Score at the Academy Awards.

      User Review

      Cult Classic Tribute to Western Clichés...
      2 June 2004 | by Ben Burgraff (cariart) (Las Vegas, Nevada)

      x wrote:

      By 1985, the movie 'western' was a genre long dormant, with film critics quick to point out that audiences had become far too 'sophisticated' for old-fashioned "shoot-'em-ups". Two film makers decided to test the waters, however; Clint Eastwood, reviving an older version of his "Man with No Name", directed and starred in his SHANE homage, PALE RIDER; and Lawrence Kasdan, fresh from the huge success of THE BIG CHILL, fulfilled his life-long dream to make a western, with SILVERADO. Neither film was successful at the box office, and pundits predicted they would soon be forgotten...but a new force in the movie industry was emerging, video rentals, and SILVERADO, with it's spectacular action sequences, charismatic heroes, and sweeping, unforgettable music score (by Bruce Broughton), was an unexpected and overwhelming hit, drawing Hollywood's attention to the new market, and lifting the film to the near-classic cult status it enjoys today.

      While PALE RIDER would focus on Clint Eastwood's continuing demythologizing of the West (which would culminate in 1992's UNFORGIVEN), SILVERADO embraces all the 'classic' Western clichés, serving them up with such exuberance that they seem 'fresh'. The story of four likable 'shootists' of nearly superhuman skills, bonding, and ultimately taking on a corrupt sheriff and his brutal gang of deputies in the town of Silverado, trots out one traditional element after another, from the classic 'bushwhack' (with a John Ford 'Doorway Framing' homage shot) to the 'pretty widow' in a wagon train; from the 'saloonkeeper with a heart of gold' to the 'crooked gambler with a concealed weapon'...and even climaxes with that most traditional of finales, as two ex-partners face off on a dusty street in an old-fashioned Western shootout.

      The four leads couldn't have been cast more perfectly; Scott Glenn channels Gary Cooper as a laconic cowboy fresh from an undeserved 5-year prison stretch; Kevin Kline exudes his signature charm as an ex-gang member whose life changed because of "a dog"; Danny Glover is warm and reassuring as a man moving west from Chicago to help his family, armed with a legendary Henry rifle; and, best of all, young Kevin Costner, in his breakout performance, is irresistible, wild and acrobatic, as Glenn's ever-optimistic, carefree younger brother, a part Kasdan wrote specifically for the actor, after his scenes were cut from THE BIG CHILL.

      The supporting cast is equally superb, with standout performances by giant Brian Dennehy, John Cleese (as a sheriff who knows 'where' his jurisdiction ends), Jeff Goldblum, Linda Hunt, James Gammon ("You led a posse to my best hide-out??"), Jeff Fahey, and, in a wonderful if brief role, breathtaking Rosanna Arquette, as the widow courted by both Kline and Glenn. With a cast THIS good, it is remarkable that the film had to 'go to video' to achieve success!

      The final line of SILVERADO, "We'll be back!", shouted by Costner as he and Glenn ride 'into the sunset', has had countless fans wishing that a follow-up movie had been made (a 1999 nationwide video poll chose SILVERADO as the film "Most Deserving of a Sequel"), but time has, sadly, eliminated that possibility. The film that 'failed' when released, in a genre that 'experts' considered passé, is, after nearly 20 years, still winning new fans.

      As Kevin Kline and Linda Hunt say, as a toast: "Here's to the good stuff...May it last a long time!"
      Best Wishes
      London- England
    • I've never seen it. I remember seeing it in the old blockbuster western section but never rented it to watch.
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    • Yeah, I saw that Kevin Costner was in it and I moved on.
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