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  • El Dorado (1957)



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    Plot Summary
    Hired gunman Cole Thornton turns down a job with Bart Jason
    as it would mean having to fight an old sheriff friend.
    Some months later he finds out the lawman is on the bottle
    and a top gunfighter is heading his way to help Jason.
    Along with young Mississippi, handy with a knife
    and now armed with a diabolical shotgun, Cole returns to help.
    Summary written by Jeremy Perkins

    Full Cast
    John Wayne .... Cole Thornton
    Robert Mitchum .... El Dorado Sheriff J.P. Harrah
    James Caan .... Alan Bourdillion Traherne ('Mississippi')
    Charlene Holt .... Maudie
    Paul Fix .... Dr. Miller
    Arthur Hunnicutt .... Bull Harris
    Michele Carey .... Josephine (Joey) MacDonald
    R.G. Armstrong .... Kevin MacDonald
    Edward Asner .... Bart Jason
    Christopher George .... Nelse McLeod
    Marina Ghane .... Maria
    Robert Donner .... Milt (McLeod gang)
    John Gabriel .... Pedro (McLeod gang)
    Johnny Crawford .... Luke MacDonald
    Adam Roarke .... Matt MacDonald
    Victoria George .... Jared's wife
    Jim Davis .... Jim Purvis (Bart Jason's foreman)
    Ann Newman-Mantee .... Sam MacDonald's wife (as Anne Newman)
    Diane Strom .... Matt's wife
    Robert Rothwell .... Saul MacDonald
    Olaf Wieghorst .... Swede Larsen (gunsmith)
    Richard Andrade .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Charlita .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Don Collier .... Deputy Joe Braddock (uncredited)
    Enrique Contreras .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Chuck Courtney .... Jared MacDonald (uncredited)
    Linda Dangcil .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Nacho Galindo .... Mexican saloon keeper (uncredited)
    Joseph Garcio .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Betty Jane Graham .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Robert 'Buzz' Henry .... Bit part (uncredited)
    William Henry .... Sheriff Dodd Draper (uncredited)
    Riley Hill .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Chuck Horne .... Joe (uncredited)
    Rodolfo Hoyos Jr. .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Bonnie Charyl Josephson .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Mike Letz .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Frank Leyva .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Myra MacMurray .... Bit part (uncredited)
    John Mitchum .... Elmer (Jason's bartender) (uncredited)
    Ruben Moreno .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Deen Pettinger .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Lee Powell .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Chuck Roberson .... Jason's gunman (uncredited)
    Anthony Rogers .... Dr. Charles Donovan (uncredited)
    Danny Sands .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Robert Shelton .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Dean Smith .... Charlie Hagan (McLeod gang) (uncredited)
    John Strachen .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Rosa Turich .... Rosa (uncredited)
    Ralph Volkie .... Bit part (uncredited)
    Christopher West .... Bit part (uncredited)

    Writing Credits
    Harry Brown (novel The Stars in Their Courses)
    Leigh Brackett (screenplay)

    Original Music
    Nelson Riddle

    Harold Rosson

    Polly Burson .... stunts (uncredited)
    Joe Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
    Gary Combs .... stunts (uncredited)
    Chuck Courtney .... stunts (uncredited)
    Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
    Robert 'Buzz' Henry .... stunts (uncredited)
    Walt La Rue .... stunts (uncredited)
    Terry Leonard .... stunts (uncredited)
    Bill Raymond .... stunts (uncredited)
    Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
    Danny Sands .... stunts (uncredited)
    Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
    Neil Summers .... stunts (uncredited)
    George P. Wilbur .... stunts (uncredited)

    John Wayne starred in Rio Bravo (1959), and after reading the script for "El Dorado" he asked to play J.P. Hara, but the part went to Robert Mitchum.

    The opening credits feature a montage of original paintings that depict various scenes of cowboy life in the Old West. The artist was Olaf Wieghorst, who appears in the film as the Gunsmith, Swede Larsen.

    The poem recited by Mississippi is an actual poem called "El Dorado" by Edgar Allan Poe.

    Robert Mitchum revealed in an interview that when Howard Hawks asked him to be in the film, Mitchum asked what was the story of the film. Hawks reportedly replied that the story didn't matter because the film had some "great characters".

    Robert Mitchum's character was wounded and needed to use a crutch, but Mitchum would switch which arm he used with the crutch throughout shooting. The continuity was so poor that John Wayne (who actually worked continuity in silents while a star college football player, a method used by Hollywood fans to slip players some spending money) had his character mention it in one of the last scenes. Director Howard Hawks enjoyed it so much he left it in the movie. Mitchum's version of this story is that he objected but Hawks had him switch sides with the crutch based on what looked best in that scene. When Hawks saw how bad it looked in the dailies, Mitchum suggested the additional dialogue between his character and Wayne's to cover the gaffe.

    The bartender that Robert Mitchum's character shoots in the saloon is played by his brother, actor/writer John Mitchum.

    Shooting started in late 1965. The movie was trade screened to exhibitors on 15 November 1966 but not released until June 1967.

    The poem "El Dorado" has four verses. James Caan's character recites three, omitting the second, which laments the aging knight's failure to locate El Dorado. He recites the first verse and part of the fourth riding with John Wayne after they meet for the first time, the third when Wayne is about to ride out for the final gunfight, and the complete fourth when he himself takes up the second wagon's reins.

    The ingredients that Mississippi recites for Johnny Diamond's recipe to sober up J. P. Hara are: cayenne pepper, hot mustard powder, ipecac, asafoetida, and croton oil. Ipecac is a strong emetic, asafoetida is a spice known for its strong sulfurous odor, and croton oil is a potent purgative. Anyone who administered this combination in real life would likely be shot a day or two later when the patient could finally leave the outhouse, assuming the unfortunate victim had not died of dehydration from the violent fluid diarrhea croton oil causes.

    The rifle that Bull uses is an 1850 Colt Revolving rifle.

    Arch-conservative John Wayne did not get along with actor Edward Asner, whose politics were quite liberal, during filming, and constantly referred to Asner as "that New York actor".

    Howard Hawks had a joke about the 58-year-old John Wayne's age by showing him getting to know a girl (played by Charlene Holt), as opposed to romancing the girl played by Angie Dickinson in Rio Bravo (1959).

    Harry Brown wanted his novel, "The Stars in their Courses", removed from the opening credits because the film bore little resemblance to his book.

    Most of the scenes showing John Wayne running were performed by a double.

    The scenes of the town during daytime were filmed on location, but all the nighttime scenes were filmed in the studio.

    According to James Caan, during a break he and John Wayne got into an altercation over a game of chess. Caan accused Wayne of cheating. Robert Mitchum intervened and cooled things down.

    A belt buckle that John Wayne sports in many scenes features the Red River D brand, an homage to his first collaboration with Howard Hawks, Red River (1948).

    The movie is more or less a remake of Rio Bravo (1959), although Howard Hawks always denied this.

    John Wayne was disappointed that the movie was released at the same time as his next movie, The War Wagon (1967). However, despite this film receiving generally poor reviews and being seen as old-fashioned and out of tune with the times, both movies proved to be hugely successful at the box office.

    Though John Wayne was playing an older character he declined to wear a gray toupee in the film. He would not be seen with gray hair until True Grit (1969).
    Link this trivia
    The bathtub scene was largely Robert Mitchum's invention. Members of the crew were laughing while it was being filmed at the idea of Mitchum being embarrassed in front of a woman.

    * Revealing mistakes: Obvious mannequin inserted into scene to replace Mississippi just before the horses jump over him.

    * Continuity: When J.P. Hara returns from Jason's bar and enters the jail, the brim of his hat is up/down/up between shots.

    * Continuity: When Mississippi throws a chair against the saloon window, the chair breaks the glass and bounces back to the porch when seen from the outside, but goes all the way through the glass and pulls the drapes down with it when seen from the inside. Also, the outside shots show there are shades covering the upper parts of the windows, but there are no shades visible when seen from the inside.

    * Continuity: After Cole shoots Luke MacDonald he rides across the stream, which gets the front of his trousers wet. When he climbs off his horse only seconds later, his trousers are dry.

    * Continuity: The sheriff got shot in the right leg and used a crutch, limping with his right leg. Later in the movie, he moved the crutch to the left leg and limped on that leg (see also trivia).

    * Continuity: The opening shot - J.P. Harrah walking down the street - is done as three separate shots; each shot is obviously at a different time of day (as denoted by the shadows).

    * Continuity: When Mississippi tackles Joey McDonald in the barn, his hat falls off of his head, and can be clearly seen lying next to him and Joey as they have their conversation. When they both stand up, the hat is still on the floor of the barn. Then, as Mississippi and Joey brush the straw off of themselves, Mississippi simply leans forward slightly and is able to pick his hat up from where it lies at his feet.

    * Continuity: When Cole Thornton arrives at Kevin MacDonald's farm, pulling the horse with Luke MacDonald's body, the shadow is on his right side. So, for a while, the shadow appears on his left side. Afterwards, it's on the right side again.

    * Continuity: When Cole rides near the river and get shot by Josephine MacDonald, the shadow is projected to the opposite side of the river. Soon after, when Josephine rides ahead to Cole, the shadow is in the river side.

    * Continuity: After Sheriff J.P. Harra hits Jason with his rifle, he works the cocking lever to chamber a round. But no empty cartridge is ejected, even though he fired the rifle at the bartender moments before.

    * Continuity: When Cole is heading back to El Dorado after meeting Mississippi, and falls off his horse, he braces his fall with his paralyzed right arm.

    * Continuity: The morning after Cole and Mississippi arrive in El Dorado, they are walking back to the Sheriff's office. When they approach the jail, Cole stops at the bottom of the steps and yells out to Bull that they are "coming in". When the camera changes to the inside you can see the shadow of someone walking up to the door. When the camera changes back to the outside, Cole and Missisippi are still standing at the bottom of the steps to the jail.

    * Audio/visual unsynchronized: After Mississippi dives under the horses, you can clearly see Cole's lips moving, but he isn't saying anything.

    * Continuity: As Cole and Mississippi shoot at the men on horseback, we see J.P. getting ready to come out of the jail on the right side of the screen with a cowboy hat on his head. In the next shot, no cowboy hat is seen.

    * Continuity: Bull's position changes between shots as Cole loads J.P.'s gun and the group gets ready to confront Jason in the saloon.

    * Continuity: When they are getting ready to confront Jason in his Saloon, not only does Bull's position change between shots, but the position of the guns he is holding changes as well.

    * Continuity: At the end, when Cole goes looking for Maudie, JP has his leg propped up on the desk. A spot appears and then disappears on the bottom of his boot.

    * Continuity: Whan JP is sitting at his desk after being shot, he grabs his injured leg, lifts it up, and turns to face Cole. When the camera angle changes, he is facing away from Cole looking back over his shoulder, and then once again he lifts his leg up, and turns to face Cole.

    * Continuity: After the men ride through town shooting, and JP gets shot in the leg, he collapses to his knee. In the next shot as Cole gets to him, he is still standing.

    * Miscellaneous: On the VHS case, Cole Thorton (John Wayne) is shown having brown eyes, as J.P. Harrah (Robert Mitchum) is shown having blue eyes. In reality, this is reversed.

    * Continuity: After Cole shoots the gun out of Milt's hand and tells him to "Pick it up and try again", the gun is about a foot from the front of the cabinet. When Milt and Pedro reach down to pick up their guns a moment later, Milt's gun is now several feet from the front of the cabinet.

    * Continuity: When Mississippi test fires his sawed-off shotgun he is enveloped in a plume of gunpowder smoke. When the shot cuts to another camera there is no smoke at all.

    * Revealing mistakes: The bugle that Bull plays is a 4 note horn, which in reality cannot play some of the songs that Bull plays on it throughout the movie.

    * Factual errors: Cole was shot in the lower back and the bullet lodged near the lower spine. The nerves controlling the arms are located in the upper spine, the neck area, so the injury from the bullet wound could not affect Cole's gun hand.

    * Continuity: At the end, when Cole goes looking for Maudie, the position of JP's crutch, leaning on the end of the desk, changes back and forth between camera angles.

    * Revealing mistakes: When the 4 men on horses rush Cole and Mississippi with their gun firing, Mississippi dives in front of the horses and one of the horses steps on his back and he does not even move or flinch because it is obviously just a dummy.

    * Continuity: When Maudie, dressed in her lingerie, invited Cole into her room, they leave Mississippi right outside the door with the two horses. When Cole later opens the door to leave, the horses and Mississippi are not anywhere in sight from the doorway. When they cut outside of the room, Mississipi is right in front of the door with the two horses again.

    * Revealing mistakes: When Mississippi test fires the shotgun it changes from an outdoor (on location) shot to a movie studio background plate on James Caan's close up of shooting the gun and back to location for the wide angle. Also, in the close up of the shot of Mississippi shooting the gun, it appears as though an animated gun flash has been added.

    * Continuity: When Joey shoots Cole he is quartering towards her. The camera angle is from where Joey is positioned. Later when the Dr. is discussing Cole's wound the path of the bullet entered in Cole's back, impossible from where Joey was positioned.

    * Continuity: When Cole shoots the gun out of Milt's hand in the cantina, the gun flies over the little cabinet by the door, and even makes the trumpet player jump out of the way to avoid the flying gun. When Milt picks it back up, it is now on the ground, a few feet in front of the cabinet.

    * Continuity: (At 01:21) When Cole and Mississippi leave Sheriff JP in the jail, he has 3-4 days' worth of stubble. When he catches up with them in the street moments later, he is clean-shaven.

    Memorable Quotes

    Filming Locations
    Kanab, Utah, USA
    Old Tucson - 201 S. Kinney Road, Tucson, Arizona, USA
    Tucson, Arizona, USA

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  • El Dorado is a 1967 western movie starring John Wayne and Robert Mitchum,
    directed by Howard Hawks, and released by Paramount Pictures.
    The screenplay was written by Leigh Brackett and based on the novel
    The Stars in Their Courses by Harry Brown.
    Nelson Riddle wrote the musical score.
    The film was shot in Technicolor and ran 126 minutes.
    The paintings in the credits are by Olaf Wieghorst, who plays Swede Larsen in the film.

    The supporting cast includes James Caan, Arthur Hunnicutt, Charlene Holt,
    Ed Asner, Christopher George, Michele Carey, R. G. Armstrong,
    Paul Fix, Johnny Crawford, Adam Roarke
    , and Jim Davis.

    The movie is the second film in a trilogy directed by Hawks
    varying the idea of a sheriff defending his office against
    belligerent outlaw elements in the town:
    the other two films are Rio Bravo (1959) and Rio Lobo (1970),
    both also starring Duke
    The plotlines of all three films are similar enough
    to almost qualify El Dorado and Rio Lobo as remakes

    I thought this was a good fun movie, and very enjoyable.
    Part 2, of Hawk's trilogy, but not quite as strong as Rio Bravo.
    The similarities between the 3 movies, is mentioned in another thread.
    Duke, once again settling into his more mature roles,
    with comfort and ease.
    Mitch, was his usual brilliant self, and acted well with Duke,
    and there was some chemistry, between them.
    James Caan, who was in awe of Duke, acquitted himself well,
    and when watching the review, and was supprised, to find how funny he was!!
    He did his job well, even though he kept listening to Duke, and getting into trouble
    with Hawks!!
    Surrounded by lots of familiar friends, wranglers, and stunt men,
    Duke felt at ease.
    Reviewers, found the film, not spectacular., but a crisp diversion,
    with some amusing moments.

    User Review
    There is some deliberate burlesque in Hawks' "El Dorado."
    11 November 2007 | by ironside ([email protected]) (Mexico)

    In the Broken Saloon at El Dorado, two old friends, each with a reputation, meet again… But Sheriff J.P. Harrah (Robert Mitchum) greets Cole Thornton (John Wayne) with a pointed rifle… Harrah has heard his friend works now for Bart Jason (Edward Asner). Thornton admits Jason offered him good money but he doesn't know what he has to do to earn it…

    Harrah explains that Jason showed up here around the end of the war with a pocketful of money and nobody could find out where he got it, but everybody else around here was broke… Having money, he started to grow… But now he needs more water… There's only one place to get it… Trouble is somebody was there ahead of him, about 20 years ahead… His name is Kevin MacDonald (R. G. Armstrong).

    MacDonald got four boys and a girl… All worked real hard… They hung together through the rough times and how things were looking up, MacDonald was not ready to sell… So he's holding and Jason was pushing, and the sheriff was standing right in the middle…

    Warned that Thornton has gone to Jason's, MacDonald has left his youngest boy out there to do a man's job… He went to sleep… When Cole came by, Luke (Johnny Crawford) woke up, jumped up and started firing his gun… All Cole was seeing was somebody shooting at him from the rocks… Thornton, thinking himself the target, shoots and drops the boy … Luke explains the error then… To escape the pain of his mortal wound, he kills himself…

    Thornton takes his body to his fathers' place, and after he explains what happened, his sister, Joey (Michele Carey), a wild cat in buckskin pants who didn't believe him, tried to kill him… Her brother stops her and her father asks her to get in the house…

    After Thornton leaves the ranch, Joey (Michele Carey) ambushes Cole at a creek, dropping him with her riffle bullet… He manages to get back on his horse and escapes to Maudie's place, where Doc Miller (Paul Fix) treats him… The bullet was dangerous up against his spine, however, as Doc advises him to find a better surgeon for the bullet's removal…

    After a short time, Thornton leaves El Dorado…

    One of the best moments in the film came in a Cantina near the Mexican border when James Caan (Mississippi) enters the place and calls one of four men sitting at a dinner table, reminding him if he remembers him or if he remembers the blue hat he is wearing? Mississippi says he caught up with his other three companions and he killed them all, and that he was the last of the four… He asks him to stand up… and as the audience observed, Mississippi wasn't wearing, at all, any gun…

    Obviously, when Jason just brought his outfit into town, the action started…

    Robert Mitchum is 'the tin star with a drunk pinned on it.' He was too mad to be scared and too sick to worry about it..

    Charlene Holt plays Maudie the gambler's widow who throws her arms around Cole, sees Harrah, and bursts out laughing when she finds her old flame and her current one are friends… She tells the sheriff that Cole gave her a stake, and helped her get on her feet…

    Michele Carey plays Joey, the wild girl who thinks that Mississippi looks a lot better without that silly hat…

    Christopher George plays Nelse McLeod, a dark, thin-faced man with a scar on his eye…

    "El Dorado" was the third of four Westerns that Howard Hawks made with John Wayne… Hawks' massive reputation as a director of Westerns virtually rests on just two films ("Red River" & "Rio Bravo") but these two are sufficient to reveal a highly skilled, intuitive filmmaker, and one who has managed to satisfy large audiences and serious critics alike within a commercial system
    Best Wishes
    London- England

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