QuoteOriginally posted by ZACK613@Sep 7 2005, 11:59 AM
I just saw Wagon Train for the 1st time. A ***** western from John Ford staring scores of his stock company members. I loved it. I also just saw John Ford's episode of Wagon Master a superb TV show esp. the flashback w/ Duke's cameo![snapback]21261[/snapback]
Zack,
Isn't that 1950's "Wagon Master" instead of "Wagon Train", which was an old TV series, also back in the '50's?
QuoteOriginally posted by Senta@Sep 7 2005, 10:08 AM
But I can say that most of us who knows something, are more on the South side. And in all sources that I have read it is said that Southern Army has more talanted generals, and was more honorable inspite of that they haven't any supplyes and was in great suffer. And because of the courage of the Southern Army war lasted so long.
I can see that you and I are gonna be great friends, Vera. :lol: :lol:
QuoteOriginally posted by Senta@Sep 7 2005, 12:49 AM
I'm interested is there some traces of that war in the minds of people now. In the book I'm reading it is said that Southern way of life disappered completly after the war as Ancient civilization. But by your remark I see that you are still feel youself Southern. Is it right?
No, the "Southern" way of life did not disappear at the end of the Civil War, Vera. The only thing that disappeared was the institution of slavery itself.
For the most part, Southerners are much more politically conservative than Northerners. We don't like big, intrusive government trying to tell us how to live our lives (an attitude that was one of the causes of the Civil War).
And yes, I very definitely consider myself "Southern". In fact, I'm very proud of my Southern heritage. My great, great grandfather was a cavalryman in the 19th Texas Cavalry, a Confederate unit. Because of his service, I now belong to the "Sons of Confederate Veterans", a fraternal organization of people whose ancestors fought for the South in the Civil War.
Jim
QuoteOriginally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 10:48 PM
As I see Duke portrayed only Northern heros. Was it a principe or by chance?
I think it was more by chance than design. I recall reading an article that asked that very same question several years ago but don't remember what the conclusion was.
QuoteOriginally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 02:43 PM
Hi Ringo, I shall, thank you.
Regards,
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Vera,
One of the best and most thoroughly-documented histories of the U.S. Civil War (or, as we Texas boys call it, the War of Northern Aggression 
) is "Lee's Lieutenants" a 3-volume work by Douglas Southall Freeman. It's from a Southern perspective, though, as Freeman was a Southerner.
I should have also said that it's long out of print and can be fairly expensive when you find it. I paid about sixty dollars for my 3-volume set.
Jim
I have two favorite non-Wayne Westerns (well, actually, more than two since Westerns per se are my favorite genre of all. But to keep the post to a manageable size, I'll limit it to two. 
) My two favorite non-JW Westerns are "Monte Walsh" with Lee Marvin and "The Stalking Moon" with Gregory Peck.
I especially like "Monte Walsh" because of the mixture of humor and pathos.
I thought the only jarring note in the plot was where the promoter tried to talk Monte into joining his Wild West show. That just didn't fit smoothly into the rest of the film.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Jan 27 2005, 05:40 PM
Each to his own opinion, of course.
That's true, Jay. Taste is subjective. For instance, I didn't like "The Wild Bunch" either and yet it's rated by most critics as the best Western ever made. I didn't care for any of Clint's "spaghetti" Westerns and over the years, they've become cult classics. Same for his Oscar winner "Unforgiven". It's rated very highly by most people but I wasn't all that impressed. I liked the original "Unforgiven" with Burt Lancaster, Audie Murphy and Audrey Hepburn better. Or maybe over the years, I became so accustomed to the formulaic John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart Westerns that others didn't appeal to me. Maybe I just have weird tastes. :lol:
QuoteDisplay MoreOriginally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Jan 27 2005, 11:14 AM
Another good line from "The Professionals" -
Claudia Cardinale tells Burt Lancaster to "go to Hell!" - Lancaster replies, "Yes ma'am, I'm on my way."
Cheers - Jay -
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I read this morning that "The Professionals" SE version will be released shortly. Lancaster, Marvin, Palance and Ryan are all favories of mine but I just didn't much care for that movie so I won't be buying it unless I can find it in the bargain bin at Walmart.
QuoteOriginally posted by Harold@Jan 26 2005, 07:24 PM
Also for a war movie "BATTLEGROUND" with Van Johnson and others...
"Battleground" was always one of my favorite WW2 movies. (I have it on DVD) I liked the ending when the platoon was marching our of Bastogne, James Whitmore was hobbling along on his frost-bitten feet but the troops were all in step, and the music segued into the "Jodie" cadence.
QuoteOriginally posted by Cole Thornton@Nov 15 2004, 11:15 PM
First time I ever saw Burt Lancaster, I was 13 and he impressed the heck out of me! So much authority in the way he moved and acted.
I too thought Burt was great - he was right up near the top of my favorite actor list. In fact, I just realized I forgot to put another western starring Burt in my favorite western list and that was "Lawman".
QuoteOriginally posted by Stumpy+Nov 14 2004, 04:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stumpy @ Nov 14 2004, 04:31 PM)</div>
As usual, I can't name just one favorite. I have several non-Wayne westerns that are favorites. In no particular order, they are: "Ulzana's Raid", "Monte Walsh", "The Stalking Moon", "Gunfight at OK Corral", "The Gunfighter", "Will Penny", "Culpepper Cattle Company", "Broken Arrow", "Naked Spur" and others. Westerns, per se, are my favorite genre.
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Upon reflection, I can think of numerous other westerns that would have to be included on my "favorites" list.
"Shane", "The Ox-Bow Incident", "Ride The High Country", "Bandolero", "The Big Country", "Pale Rider", "The Man From Laramie", "The Magnificent Seven", Dances With Wolves", "Open Range", "Jeremiah Johnson", "Tombstone", "Duel In The Sun", "Last Train From Gun Hill", "Union Pacific", "My Darling Clementine", "There Was A Crooked Man", "River of No Return", "Western Union", "The Bravados", "The Unforgiven (1960)", "Quigley Down Under", "Tom Horn", "3:10 to Yuma", "Lonesome Dove", "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid" and "The Outlaw Josey Wales".
Well, you did ask. (HA)
QuoteOriginally posted by The Ringo Kid@Nov 14 2004, 03:26 PM
Sorry if I am repeating something that might have been here before but, I was just wondering what your favorite NON-John Wayne Western is?
As usual, I can't name just one favorite. I have several non-Wayne westerns that are favorites. In no particular order, they are: "Ulzana's Raid", "Monte Walsh", "The Stalking Moon", "Gunfight at OK Corral", "The Gunfighter", "Will Penny", "Culpepper Cattle Company", "Broken Arrow", "Naked Spur" and others. Westerns, per se, are my favorite genre.
