Posts from JWfan in thread „Historical Events That Must Be Filmed“

  • Historical Events That Must Be Filmed

    hi ringo kid,


    could you also give me the names of the persons from who there are statues because I am quite interested in that.


    Here in Holland we have statues from:


    William of Orange (the Silent) - leader of the dutch war of independence


    Piet Heyn - first admiral of the dutch fleet and capturer of the spanish silver fleet and San Salvador


    Michiel de Ruyter - defender of the fatherland he was dutch last hope in the year of disaster (1672) he saved Holland from a English/French invasion.


    Antony van Leeuwenhoek - biologist, founder of the microscope


    Jan Huygens - inventor of the sawmill and several other things.


    William III of Orange - led dutch forces to victory in the 3 great wars of Louis XIV and invaded France


    Johan de Witt - one of the most important European political leaders of the 17th century


    Johan van Oldenbarnevelt - Dutch stadtholder and founder of the first world wide trading company the VOC.


    Prince Maurice of Orange - great field commander he was the first commander in Europe that could beat the invinsible Spanish infantry on land at Nieuwpoort and captured much ground of the Spanish in what is now is Belgium and was an example for other leaders like Gustav Adolphus.


    Desimerus Erasmus - humanist, great philosphor of 16th Century


    and some others


    cya Jwfan

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    hi ringo kid,


    I have a question about something entirely else, I am fond of statues of historical figures, now here in Holland there are lots of statues in Den Haag and I have visited many cities in Europe including Paris and Berlin and I guess it is something typical European to make statues of important persons but I wonder if there are many statues in the USA of important persons/


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    hi ringo kid, stumpy


    I dont think there is much to read about the dutch involvement in WWII because the invasion of Holland only lasted for 5 days and there were only 2 major battles:
    the battle at Ypenburg dutch marines vs german paras and the battle at the Grebbeline dutch infantry equipped with WWI weapons vs german infantry.
    The reason why we were occupied so quickly was that we were attacked by surprise because Holland declared to be neutral but still we were attacked.


    My grandfather who was a farmer, told me a story about the invasion, he was working on the land and suddenly there was one big shadow and alot of noice and when he looked up he saw hundreds of paratroopers.
    Only at the airfield at Ypenburg the marines could inflict heavy casualties on German paratroopers because the dutch placed obstacles on the landing zones.


    But if we could hold them back for a couple more days we could have been helped by the British and French troops who were coming to help and then the outcome of the war could have been different.


    Also I am proud of how dutch people resisted against the German occupation, I dont know If you have seen the dutch movie Soldaat van Oranje or Soldier of Orange from Paul Verhoeven the movie gives a clear view of how the resistance was.


    My grandmother who had healthy parents and they lived in a large house did go every day to school, but every week there came less people in the class because Judish people who had to hide or were betrayed didnt show up anymore.
    I just cant imagine how that would have been.


    About the movie Operation Amsterdam I have heard of It but I have never seen it.


    And about the large piano in holland we call that a 'vleugel'.
    I dont know how they say that in English.


    Stumpy, thanks for the links.


    cya Jwfan

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    hi ringo kid,


    I think you are talking about the marines who defended Rotterdam It was one of the few place were we could hold off the Germans when they invaded in 1940.
    But when the marines refused to surrender the city was bombed.


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    hi ringo kid,


    I am not sure if Nelson was being killed by the French because the battle at Trafalgar was the British against the French and Spanish but the most of the fleet were french ships so I think he was killed by the French.


    Yes I know about Patton although he is my favorite commander of WWII that also has to do with the movie with George C. Scott I like his character.


    About dutch soldiers, Holland was great on the sea never on the land, we won the eighty years war of dutch independence against Spain not because we won from them on the battlefield but because the dutch fleet could inflict heavy damage on Spanish trade. The only great field commander we had was Prince Maurice of Orange Nassau.


    If you look back on dutch military history you can see that the dutch fought in many wars but in all the wars on land we never had great commanders. like in the spanish war of succesion dutch forces were under the command of the british commander John Churchill Marlborough also in the austrian war of succession and during the battle at Waterloo dutch forces were under the command of Wellington.


    So I am not that proud of dutch military history on land but on sea I am.


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    hi ringo kid


    Tromp was the father of the first real naval tactics, he defeated in 1639 during the thirty years war, the second spanish armada at the downs which was send to invade to invade Holland.


    Blake was a British admiral who is also seen as the greatest British admiral after Nelson. Blake and Tromp fought each other in lots of naval engagements during the first Anglo-Dutch war. In these war Blake first introduced the ship of the line tactics and was also the reason why the Dutch lost the war. (the first anglo-dutch war is also seen as the first modern war because the war was fought entirely at sea and it was the first trade war).


    I also give some info about Michiel de Ruyter, he is dutch greatest naval hero.
    He was involved during the Dutch conquest of Brazil against the Portugese and later he fought as vice admiral in the first Anglo-Dutch war (1652-1654). In the last battle Tromp was killed and he took over command of the Dutch fleet.
    In 1658 he was victorious in the battle at the Sond during the Dutch-Swedish war and also captured the island of Funen. During the second Anglo-Dutch war (1665-1667) he won one of the greatest naval engagements ever fought the four days battle but lost the St. James day fight. The british burnt a dutch merchantfleet and wanted revenge, so they sended de Ruyter to attack London. de Ruyter broke the chains of the thames which were protecting London, burnt most of the British ships and sended 2000 zeesoldaten or mariniers (seasoldiers or Marines) on land to attack fort sheerness this action is also known as the first ambifien operation so de Ruyter is the father of the Marine corps.
    In 1672 in the dutch 'rampjaar' (year of disaster) when we were attacked on sea by the British and French fleet from the south by the French and from the east by German kingdoms. De Ruyter won on sea all the naval engagements against the allied fleet. Whit as highlight the battle at Kijkduin were he fought a twice as big fleet and still wanted to attack which the British and French didnt expect and when they saw Dutch sails at the horizon coming with de Ruyter in his shining armour on the flagship some French ships fled away. On land the war didnt go to well and Holland was for 70% taken. But after 2 year fighting with a smaller army under the lead of William III later king of England all the invading armies were driven out. In 1676 de Ruyter was send to help the Spanish at sicily against a French invasion. He was victorious in the battles at Etna and Palermo but he lost the last battle which I cant remember the name of and de Ruyter was killed.
    The french sended a escort for the body of de Ruyter with black sails and at every harbor they passed there were saluting shots fired. So de Ruyter has also earned the respect by his enemies.


    Btw. The french killed the 2 greatest admirals Nelson and de Ruyter.


    About Marshall you say he is in high command but he never fought a battle himself
    he was more political I think.


    About the qualities you named I agree with all you named except 5, ofcourse being political is important but If you look into history how many great commanders are being political. I mean de Ruyter, Nelson, Patton, Rommel and many others were not real political brains. They just fought to win, to what they were ordered.


    cya Jwfan

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    hi ringo kid,


    About nimitz he was a great naval commander during WWII but I dont think he is as great as de Ruyter, Tromp, Blake or Nelson. If the list would be like 100 greatest commanders he would be sure in the list but a list of like 25 greatest commanders I personally dont think he deserves to be on the list.


    About the Russian commanders you named, they all sound the same for me I,
    I only know Zhukov. I am not so familiar with the Eastern front so I dont know most of the Russian commanders. Although one of my favorite warmovies Cross of Iron is about the eastern front.


    About George C. Marshall I have heard of the name, but I dont really know what kind of important things he did during WWII.
    I also like to know what kind of aspects a great military commander in your view needs. (like courage, tactician or something else).


    Also thanks for the facts about the engagements in the civil war


    cya Jwfan

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    hi Ringo Kid


    I dont quite agree with you that Jackson and some other names on your list fit in the list of greatest military leaders. In my opinion was Jackson a great soldier but he was not a great tactician. I do agree with Erich von Manstein, he was the inventor of the blitzkrieg if I am right and for the Russian names on the list I dont know them so I cant judge. The only great Russian military leader I know is Peter the Great. Also Chester W. Nimitz and Pierre Gustav Toutant Beauregard dont belong in a list with names like Napoleon, de Ruyter, Hannibal, Gustav Adolphus and many others.


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    hello,


    I have a question to all who like warhistory like me.
    I am registered on a forum about all kind of stuff but there is poll about the greatest military leaders of all time. But there are in my opinion to many americans, not that I have anything against American military leaders.
    But there are names like Patton, Lee, Jackson, Washington, Grant, Eisenhower and MacArthur.


    Of these names I only think that Patton and Lee should deserve on this list.


    http://www.rateitall.com/topic…ge=0&TopicID=779&show=all


    (please vote 5 star on Michiel de Ruyter)


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    hi Cole Thornton


    You are right about European people that are interested in the American civil war.
    I guess almost every country have had a civil war, but the American civil war is the most famous because of the huge scale battles and the great leaders who can now still be recognized as the great military leaders like Lee and Jackson. Other civil wars like the dutch civil war of 1787-1789 which was caused by the fourth anglo-dutch war were no great battles like Gettysburg or something.


    I am also very interested in the the American civil war, I have seen the movies Gettysburg with Martin Sheen, Jeff Daniels, Sam Elliot and Tom Berenger and Gods and Generals.
    But what always fascinates me is how Lee could continue fighting against the north while he was outsupplied and outnumbered and still came up with brillian ideas


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    hi ringo kid,


    I would like to know of you who are in your opinion the greatest military leaders of all time (naval and field commanders)


    here is my list:


    1. Hannibal
    2. Napoleon
    3. Michiel adriaanszoon de Ruyter
    4. Alexander the Great
    5. Patton
    6. Gustav Adolphus
    7. Wallenstein
    8. John Churchill Marlborough
    9. Horatio Nelson
    10. Julius Caesar
    11. Maarten Tromp
    12. Frederick the Great
    13. Erwin Rommel


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    hi ringo kid,


    I have never heard of Walther-Peer Fellgiebel although I have heard of the firefighting unit.


    But I am fascinated about the fact that most people in the US dont know the european history before the napoleontic wars, because here in Holland about everyone knows about the history before napoleon and also about later wars like the korea war. But that I guess has something to do that people here in Holland have always been interested in history. So I guess you also havent heard of names like: Gustav Adolphus, Prince Maurice of Orange, Cromwell, Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Rembrandt, William the Silent, Peter the Great and Frederick the Great, just to name a few.


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    Hi viper, I know that warfare on sea has changed between Nelson and Nimitz but I am asking who is the greatest naval commander during the age of sail, from the battle at Lepanto (1571) until the battle at Trafalgar (1805). In that time the naval warfare has not changed much. Michiel de Ruyter and Nelson could easily be compared because in their battles they both used the line tactics.


    I personal think that de Ruyter was greater, not only because he was Dutch but he was the founder of the marine corps, the only one who had the guts to break the chains at chatham and attack London but he also won the greatest naval battle in the 17th and 18th century.


    So I am asking to the american people who is greater Nelson or de Ruyter because I have had lots of discussions with English people about this subject.


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    I have a question that has nothing to do with this topic, but I have had on the internet often discussions with English people about who is the greatest naval commander Nelson or Michiel de Ruyter now I'd like to know from the Americans who they think is the greatest.


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