BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT.
1926. Directed by King Vidor.
John Gilbert, Eleanor Boardman, Roy D'Arcy, Lionel Belmore, Emily Fitzroy, George K. Arthur, Arthur Lubin, Theodore von Eltz, Karl Dane, Edward Connelly, Fred Malatesta, John T. Murray, Joe Smith Marba, Daniel G. Tomlinson, Emile Chautard, John Wayne (as a Guard).
More information re above
Elly
Cowboy Jubilee, Screen Snapshots Series 19, No. 8:
Director: Harriet Parsons
Writer: Ralph Staub
Release Date: 7 June 1940 (USA)
10 minute short also featuring the Meglin Kiddies, Gene Autry and Roy Rogers.
Meet the Stars #8: Stars Past and Present (1941)
Director: Harriet Parsons
Release Date: 24 July 1941 (USA)
Run time: 9 minutes
Plot Summary: Stars past and present gather to take part in the ceremonies at the dedication of Republic's new sound stage to the memory of Mabel Normand.
Cast
Harriet Parsons Narrator
Walter Abel Himself
Gene Autry Himself
Richard Bennett Himself
Jack Buetel Himself
Smiley Burnette Himself
Judy Canova Herself
Chester Conklin Himself
William Farnum Himself
Louise Fazenda Herself
George 'Gabby' Hayes Himself
Brenda Joyce Herself
Mary Lee Herself
Mary Martin Herself
Ilona Massey Herself
Ann Miller Herself
Patricia Morison Herself
Jack Mulhall Himself
Charles Murray Himself
Mabel Normand Herself (archive footage)
William T. Orr Himself
Eddie Quillan Himself
Charles Ray Himself
Cesar Romero Himself
Jane Russell Herself
Mack Sennett Himself
John Wayne Himself
Running Hollywood
Thalians Club / Universal (1932)
Director: Charles Lamont
Plot: Comedy
Cast: Charles 'Buddy' Rogers, Arthur Lake, John Wayne, Sessue Hayakawa, Louise Fazenda
Charles Murray (as Charlie Murray), George Sidney, Noah Beery, Vivien Oakland, Leo Carrillo
Gertrude Astor, Ralph Ince, 'Little Billy' Rhodes, (as Little Billy), Mary Carr, Claude Gillingwater
Sally Blane, Benny Rubin, Virginia Sale 20 minutes
The voice of Hollywood no 13
Tiffany Productions (1932)
A fictional radio station, Station S*T*A*R, provides an excuse for a parade of novelty and variety acts by stars big and small. 12 minutes. John Wayne was announcer.
Hi Keith
I will put some note re some of these films into one post for each of them.
Starting with this one
Elly
Hollywood Handicap
Thalians Club / Universal (1932)
During his time at the MGM studio, Buster Keaton directed three shorts, all of them produced by Louis Lewyn, whose specialty was combining newsreel footage with musical numbers (he was also married to Marion Mack, Keaton's co-star in The General). This one-reeler is typical of Lewyn's work, and a woeful comedown for Keaton. The Original Sing Band star as a group of stable boys who are working for a colonel. The Colonel owns a line of racehorses, but he winds up auctioning them all off, except for Susie Q, who he gives to the stable boys. The boys raise the fee to enter Susie Q in the Hollywood Handicap. The race is well-attended by movie stars (basically newsreel footage of Mickey Rooney, Oliver Hardy, Dorothy Lamour, John Wayne, Bing Crosby, and a host of others). When their horse falls behind, the stable boys start singing to encourage her to go faster. Instead, the horse starts dancing and she still loses the race. Luckily for the stable boys, a talent scout has seen Susie Q's performance and wants to use her in a circus film. 20 minutes
The Missing or Rare Movies, still seems to centre around this list,
so just to refresh our memories again,here it is:-
Please make any comments, and if these movies are available,
let us know, and we can then narrow the list down,
to what's really 'missing'
Hello Keith Arthur and all other interested parties:teeth_smile:
I meant to post this last night but as it has been a long while since I did any research I went round my pals again to see if there was anything new. I am awaiting a couple of replies so this is what I know for SURE is missing or unavailable. I can say this with certainty because EVERYTHING else on the filmography posted elsewhere on this site I have a copy of in my collection.
I know I have said that I was looking for other films not on the list posted below (eg Maker of men) but I asked because the copy I have is poor and I was looking for a better copy. Really I am looking for 19 complete movies and 2 part movies. (ignoring the Ham Hamilton shorts only recently brought to light!)
I am hoping to have the list of my complete collection tidied up for posting here later this week.
kind regards
Elly
1926 Bardelys the magnificent No Complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives. I have the JW clip and the trailer
1928 Mother Machree No complete print known to exist (two reels missing) I have an incomplete copy of about 30 mins
1927 Annie Laurie Restored print in Library of Congress
1929 Forward Pass, the No print known to exist Considered LOST
1929 Speakeasy No print known to exist Considered LOST
1929 Strong Boy No print known to exist Considered LOST
1929 Words and Music No print known to exist Considered LOST
1930 Cheer up and Smile Preserved copy in UCLA
1930 Lone Star Ranger, the Print in UCLA
1931 Deceiver, the ** Print is known to exist
1931 Girls Demand Excitement Print in UCLA
1931Three Girls Lost Print in UCLA
1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short (survival status unknown)
1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short (survival status unknown)
1932 That’s my Boy ** Print is known to exist
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The 12 minute short (survival status unknown)
1933 Sweetheart of Sigma Chi ** Print is known to exist
1936 Oregon Trail, the No print known to exist Considered LOST
1937 Adventure’s End ***Considered LOST
1940 Meet the stars Cowboy Jubilee 10 minute short (survival status unknown)
1941 Meet the stars # 8: Stars Past and Present 9 minute short, Print in UCLA
NB: NOT including Ham Hamilton shorts which need more research.
** I cannot yet establish where this print exists, but definitely not available from any dealers or traders
*** I heard a rumour recently that a private collector in Canada may have a print but will not even loan it to AFI. I am trying to get confirmation of this.
Main sources of information
AFI: the American Film Institute
BFI: British Film Institute
http://www.blsinc.com/rarefilms.htm Sidney P Bloomberg (He has a lot of these on his own want list!)
http://www.vitaphone.org/fox.html
http://www.classicmovies.org Brad Lang
http://www.vanc.igs.net/~roughley/john_wayne_dvd_filmography.html Neil Roughley a very knowledgable guy
http://www.rarevideo.com/
http://www.silentera.com/
http://catalogcin.library.ucla…n.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First (UCLA Film and TV archive)
Fred Landesman's John Wayne Filmography, the
Hey guys, I'm new to your forum but I have enjoyed John Wayne Films for over 40 years. I've collected his films and admired his attitude and American Spirit and wish more people had it. It's good to see fans and admirers keeping his memory alive. If anyone is looking for some of his Old and Rare films from the late 20's to late 20's, I have them all on DVD. Except the ones that are lost forever.
Hi and a warm welcome to you from a recent newbie
I also have been a long time fan and I am very interested in the rare or lost films.
this is my "wanted" list and I suspect that most JW fans have a similar list! I have all of the other films and tons of TV stuff on DVD. I would be very interested in trading with you.
PLEASE, make my year and tell me you have at least one of them 20+ years I have been looking:teeth_smile:
AND today is my darling grand daughters first birthday and she is already a JW fan so she will also get to watch!!
Elly
1937 Adventure’s End
1927 Annie Laurie
1930 Cheer up and Smile
1931 Deceiver, the
1946 Desert Command (Feature film version of Three Musketeers Serial from 1934)
1929 Forward Pass
1931 Girls Demand Excitement
1932 Hollywood Handicap, the
1930 Lone Star Ranger, the
1940 Meet the stars Cowboy Jubilee
1941 Meet the stars number 8 aka Stars Past and Present
1952 Miracle in Motion
1936 Oregon Trail, the
1932 Running Hollywood
1929 Speakeasy
1929 Strong Boy
1933 Sweetheart of Sigma Chi
1932 That’s my Boy
1931 Three Girls Lost
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The
1929 Words and Music
Display MoreHi Elly,
Your wish is our command!
We already have this thread and discussion,
and you've already taken part in it.
However I have now made it 'sticky'
This topic, has also always been of interest to me.
Hope this helps?
Hi Keith
I am so impressed at the speed of response, almost before I asked this time.
Please can the LIST be the first thing on the sticky or be sticky on its own with a short comment next to each title as to why it is unavailable eg considered to be "Lost" or only know print in Library of congress etc.
I am very happy to let you have my research notes and references etc.
Thanks again
the Gerodie Pain:teeth_smile:
Elly
Hi Mike
thanks for the tip.
I have both a region free video player and a region free DVD player so no problem for me where in the world things come from.
Will go and check it out now.
Elly
hello Everyone
Can I suggest we try to have a "sticky" list of the truly lost or very rare JW films please?
I am talking about the 15 to 20 generally acknowledged as in these categories mostly very early.
I myself have done quite a bit of research on the films and I have notes and references to where it came from.
Always very happy to share with others and make life a bit easier for folks looking for things.
thank you
Elly
Thanks Chester
I have had this book on order for five months! Amazon keeps pushing bck the delivery date!
So given that the Landesman book mentions 3 of the "Famous Five" or should I say Infamous?
What#s a girl to do? I thought about this and whilst I appreciate that some folks are only interested in movies I am in all of JW work. So I have decided to cal it a "Body of work" and include all movies, (including those where JW is producer) TV, radio and audio. I shall include the five above with notes about the few referecnes i have found.
Then I can sort it alphabetically or by year or by genre.
Making the list is of course the easy part, finding copies of everything on the list has so far taken me the best part of 20 years and there are still big gaps. But it's great fun looking
Elly 
Hi Ds and EthanEdwards
My apologies if I have opened a can of worms but it seems to me that the early JW films are a bit of a can of worms in themselves!
I am awaiting a copy of the Fred landesman filmography but I beleive that he does not list the Ham hamilton films but does list the other four?
Also as far as I can ascertain Ham Hamilton was lloyd Hamilton aka "Lloyd V. Hamilton"
birth name "Lloyd Vernon Hamilton" I have copied below 3 short bios I found re him.
IMDB credits him as a director only of five films was JW at Fox during this time? Was hamilton at Fox at the time of Directing these films?
I AM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS TO ENGENDER DEBATE AND PERHAPS REACH A CONCLUSION!
Director:
I am still none the wiser but I am prepared to note these shorts in my own list as QED.
I do agree with is IMDB is not the most accurate place to get information but with a lack of concensus in reference books and amongst experts regarding a Comprehensive filmography, it is not so bad.
I hope that we can keep the subject open as i am sure if we are to get any more information re these shorts it will come from the members of this forum.
Thank you
Elly
Lloyd Hamilton
The life and career of Lloyd "Ham" Hamilton (1887-1935) reminds me of the gag in a Woody Allen movie. . . the one where (after he has faced a firing squad), asked "what happened?", Woody replies, "I got screwed!" Hamilton, ever-wearing a squashed-looking cap and ragged topcoat while walking as if constricted by tight underwear, appeared in a couple of hundred short films and a handful of features. No less than Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton praised the portly comic to the skies. But fate was rotten to Hamilton both during and after his lifetime. An infamous Fox vault fire destroyed most of the Oakland-born comic's prime work: the classic two-reelers he starred for the "Mermaid Comedies" unit from 1920-1931.
Hamilton is a true original, quite different from his contemporaries (for one thing, he looks much older, more reminiscent of W.C. Fields, Jackie Gleason, or Rodney Dangerfield), subtle and deliberate in his technique. Like Harry Langdon, his timing and pacing differ from the rest of the comedy world - and the universe as well. The modus operandi of his besieged but only somewhat daunted character (one of the inspirations for Gleason's "Poor Soul") is "everything happens to me". And like Rodney, he got no respect.
Thanks to the tireless efforts of film archivists and private collectors, a few "Ham" Hamilton shorts exist. While not enough material exists to form an overview of his career as a whole, the lucky historians who've screened the surviving Hamilton comedies agree on one thing: they are devastatingly funny, right there with the best that the "Golden Age Of Comedy" had to offer.
Lloyd Vernon Hamilton was born in California on August 19, 1891 and by 1913 had realized his dream to become an actor by making his film debut for the Lubin Company that year. His first flirting with fame came in the form of playing a character named “Pretzel” in a series entitled Frontier Comedies cranked out by the St. Louis Film Company. Later that year, he would be hired by the Kalem Company and teamed with a diminutive comic named Bud Duncan to act in support of stars Ruth Roland and Marshall Neilan. The two comics became so popular that they were spun-off into their own series of two-reelers (the Ham Comedies), of which more than 100 were made between 1914-17. When Kalem folded in 1917, Lloyd moved on to Fox, appearing in Henry Lehrman’s Sunshine Comedies—and it was here that he began to develop his “everyman” character. While at Fox, he made the acquaintance of a director named Jack White, who convinced Hamilton to strike out on their own in 1920. They formed their own company, with their shorts released by Educational Pictures. As described by film historian Massa: “Best described as a mama’s boy, he was prissy and courtly in a flat, checkered pancake cap, with a swishy duck-waddle walk that became his trademark…as he waddled along in his pancake cap he always seemed to be gently trying to sidestep the cruel fate that was forever nipping at his heels.”
From 1920 to 1928, the Lloyd Hamilton comedies were among the most popular two-reelers released in theaters. Hamilton himself had many characteristics associated with Buster Keaton (a sort of dry, deadpan facial expression) and Charley Chase (Robert Youngson once described Chase’s career on-screen as “one long embarrassing moment”—but the same could apply to Hamilton as well). Were it not for “the cruel fate that was forever nipping at his heels,” Lloyd might very well be considered among the pantheon of silent comedy greats. But several factors conspired against him: first, he was never able to make the leap into silent features like Chaplin, Keaton and Lloyd—his two 1924 attempts, His Darker Self (a two-reel version—the only extant evidence of Ham’s feature career, is included on the LNL set) and A Self-Made Failure, did dismal business at the box office....
hello Keith
Sorry but being a newbie (and an oldie) I cant seem to get round the first thread you told me about it is closed?
Re Ham hamilton is this Lloyd Hamilton? if so I read lots of times whilst surfing the net today that he left fox in 1920 and set up his own company educational films. Please could you tell me more about JW and ham hamilton shorts.
thanks again
Elly
Thank You
Elly
hi
my apologies if these questions have been answered already.
RE the above what is the answer whether JW worked on these or not please? was ham hamilton an actor and if so what were these films called please?
what is the general opinion of whether or not they should be included in a filmography?
Is there a filmography and a list of TV appearances here on this site please?
Is there a list of radio and audio on thisd site please?
Thanks
Elly
Display MoreThere are about 18 movies before The Big Trail...
These I have on DVD:
The Great K&A Train Robbery - 1926
Brown of Harvard - 1926
The Drop Kick - 1927
Hangman's House - 1928
Salute - 1929
Noah's Ark - 1929
he Black Watch - 1929
Born Reckless - 1930
These I don't but are working on it to get them:
Bardelys the Magnificent - 1926
Annie Laurie - 1927
Mother Machree - 1928
Four Sons - 1928
Words and Music - 1929
Speakeasy - 1929
The Forward Pass - 1929
Rough Romance - 1930
Men Without Women - 1930
Cheer Up and Smile - 1930
Hi
Just joined and know this is an old post but thought I would reply anyway. I might be able to help you out with some of the ones you are looking for email me at [email protected].
Elly
Hi Popol,
Just replied to you other post!
Yes I'm sure, some probably, most are lost.The shame for all us Duke fans is that, it's a pity the film companies, didn't show the same respect
that his fans do!!
Hi Keith
I too am in UK and have some of these you mention a couple of years ago my hubby blesshim transferred all my VHS onto DVD email me at [email protected]. perhaps we can help each other out. I am looking for some old radio stuff and would you beleive UK TV stuff? Can get the US stuff no probs but UK stuff is like hens teeth!
Elly
