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    This is why I do not post so much on this board anymore. Far too much "Off topic" JUNK to read through before you get to anything interesting or to the point.

    MODERATORS Can't you filter out or at least move this so that the thread reamins about what it says it is and nothing else? PLEASE!

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    Well the reply was swift short and to the point!!! I have copied it here.

    I still think it is worth others emailing this guy with the same request.


    From: Lubliner, Roni (NBCUniversal) [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: 17 June 2013 18:09
    To: Elly
    Subject: RE: Adventure's end 1937 starring John Wayne




    HI Elly,

    If it hasn’t been up until now, it never will.

    Thanks.

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    Quote from RoughRider

    I am surprised Universal would say they do not own the copyright to Adventure's End.

    Universal Pictures Co., Inc. renewed the film's copyright on September 21, 1965 (renewal number R368573), about two months before the initial 28-year expiration.

    It could be that the person at Universal who phoned you is simply wrong, or legal claim to the film was subsequently sold outright to another entity (e.g. a television distributor).



    As Bob got this email as the Universal contact from LOC

    Email: [email protected]

    I think we should ALL email this guy and quote Neil above and ask when it will be released on DVD using LOC reference copy. Who knows if enough people nag him he may just do something if only to stop the email coming!

    My granny always said "Shy bairns get nowt"

    So this is the email I just sent

    Hello Mr Lubliner

    Please can you advise when Adventure's end 1937 starring JOHN WAYNE will be released onto DVD. I am asking on behalf of myself and the thousands of other JW fans who would love to buy this and indeed see it. One of the few remaining JW films not released.

    I have this information from Library of Congress who hold a reference copy and below that information from US Copyright Offices stating that Universal renewed the copyright.

    I look forward to hearing from you soon and thank you in advance for your assistance.

    kind regards

    Elly Reid

    INFORMATION FROM LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

    We have the following 35mm element for ADVENTURE'S END (1937) in our collection:

    ADVENTURE'S END (1937)
    MAVIS: 1669
    LC CALL NUMBER: FPD 1576-1582 (composite master positive)
    COLLECTION: AFI/UNIVERSAL PICTURES COLLECTION

    At this time we do not have a viewable print of the film, but a reference copy can be made available for on-site viewing only.

    Duplication of ADVENTURE'S END required written permission from Universal Pictures:

    Universal Studios Media Licensing
    100 Universal City Plaza, 1440/15
    Universal City, CA 91608 USA
    Contact: Roni Lubliner
    Email: [email protected]
    Phone: (818) 777-1273
    Fax: (818) 866-2399
    Web site: <https://www.universalclips.com/Search.aspx#>

    I hope this information is helpful.

    Sincerely,

    Josie Walters-Johnston
    Reference Librarian
    Moving Image Section
    Library of Congress
    [email protected]


    INFORMATION FROM US COPYRIGHT OFFICES

    Universal Pictures Co., Inc. renewed the film's ( Adventure's end 1937) copyright on September 21, 1965 (renewal number R368573), about two months before the initial 28-year expiration.

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    Hi

    I should have added that I am in touch with another 9 film archives who have yet to reply to me. So we may yet see more films that are not lost just in archives somewhere.

    As for how to get them released onto DVD I guess we need to lobby the copyright holders and studios.

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    Here is an updated list of those films considered to be missing and or rare. I have noted where a print is held in a film archive. This information has been provided by the film archives however, I have not posted any correspondence in order to keep the list as clear as possible. Should you wish to see this correspondence I will happily provide it.


    Adventure's End (Universal) 1937 LOC

    Annie Laurie (MGM) 1927 LOC, BFI (Copies are in circulation although poor quality)

    Cheer up and Smile (Fox) 1930 UCLA

    Deceiver, the (Columbia) 1931 LOC

    Forward pass, the (First national) 1929 UCLA have soundtrack only

    Girls demand excitement (Fox) 1931 UCLA

    Hollywood Handicap, the (Universal) 1932

    Mother Machree (Fox) 1928 8 reels in total, LOC have reels 1, 2 & 5. UCLA have reels 2, 5 & 7. (The incomplete restored version has been released to DVD)

    Oregon Trail, the (Republic) 1936

    Running Hollywood (Universal) 1932 UCLA

    Speakeasy (Fox) 1929

    Strong Boy (Fox) 1929 Possible print in Australia See www.silentera.com

    Sweetheart of Sigma Chi (Monogram) 1933

    That's my Boy (Columbia) 1932 LOC

    Three girls lost (Fox) 1931 UCLA have an incomplete copy

    Voice of Hollywood no 13, The (Tiffany) 1932 LOC

    Words and music Fox 1929 This is considered lost. http://vitaphone.blogspot.com





    BFI (British film institute), LOC (Library of congress), UCLA (University College Los Angeles)

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    Hi Everyone

    recent correspondence with Library of Congress re above.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
    Sent: 06 April 2012 15:12
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Library Question - Answer [Question #7594258]
    Hello Ellen
    Following are the films from your list for which we hold film elements:

    Mother Machree (Fox)1928
    - Sound version, incomplete
    - 35mm safety print; reels 1,2,5

    The Deceiver (Columbia) 1931
    - 35mm nitrate original negative picture and track
    - 35mm safety composite fine grain master positive (cfgmp)

    That's my Boy (Columbia)1932
    - 35mm nitrate negative picture and track
    - 35mm safety cfgmp

    Voice of Hollywood no 13, The (Tiffany)1932
    - 35mm nitrate composite positive
    - 35mm fine grain master positive picture and track



    Adventure's End (Universal) 1937
    - 35mm nitrate
    - 35mm cfgmp

    Best,
    Rosemary Hanes
    Reference Librarian
    Moving Image Section
    Library of Congress
    101 Independence Ave., SE
    Washington, D.C. 20540
    telephone: 202-707-8572
    email: <     http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-mopic2.html >


    Hello Rosemary

    As only a part of the moving image holdings is searchable online can I ask if you are able to advise me if you have a copy of the following films in your moving images collection please.


    Mother Machree (Fox)1928
    Strong Boy (Fox) 1929
    Speakeasy (Fox) 1929
    Three girls lost (Fox) 1931
    Words and music Fox 1929
    The Forward pass (First national) 1929
    The Deceiver (Columbia) 1931
    That's my Boy (Columbia)1932
    Voice of Hollywood no 13, The (Tiffany)1932
    Running Hollywood (Universal)1932
    The Hollywood Handicap (Universal) 1932 Adventure's End (Universal) 1937
    Sweetheart of Sigma Chi (Monogram) 1933
    Oregon Trail, the (Republic) 1936

    Thank you so much
    Ellen
    　
    　

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    Issue 2 of "JOHN WAYNE BEFORE STAGECOACH"

    Includes screen captures and video clips showing JW in all those films where it is stated he was uncredited, an extra etc.

    Well it is ready HOWEVER the document without the video clips is nearly 4MB and I cannot upload it all here. I am working on getting it here complete with clips, meanwhile here is page 1-5 only. (Page 3 the timeline and pages 4 and 5 the table have been inserted as attachments.)


    FULL TEXT AND SCREEN CAPTURES CAN BE SEEN HERE

    http://dukefanclub.weebly.com/…ne-before-stagecoach.html




    JOHN WAYNE BEFORE STAGECOACH





    By




    Elly Reid, Neil Roughley and Bob Tuttle.







    John Wayne’s earliest known involvement in films is generally acknowledged to be his appearance in the 1926 film, Brown of Harvard.

    There is much speculation as to which films he was involved with in the following years, right up until the release of Stagecoach in 1939.

    It is known that John Wayne did prop work, walk-ons, stunts and extra work throughout this time, often without any on screen credit. (name visible on the actual film)

    The many written and recorded biographies of John Wayne were mostly created decades after this period when memories were not as sharp as they once were. John Wayne himself said he could not remember all of the films he was involved in. Research for these biographies is inconsistent and has led to many contradictions which are quoted ad infinitum as being “definitive”.

    We have used a variety of references in this research but we have used the films themselves as the “definitive” source. After all if John Wayne in person and his name, can be seen on screen then who can argue that he was not involved or not credited?

    We have used clips and or screen shots of the films to substantiate our findings. Many are available to view on line.5

    This is an attempt to accurately and fully document what we know at this time. We may never know all of John Wayne’s work but it is hoped that with this on-going project our knowledge will continue to grow.


    Our approach


    · To establish a timeline of possible films John Wayne could have been involved with.


    · To view the actual films and establish whether John Wayne can been seen on screen.


    · To view the actual films and establish whether John Wayne is credited on screen.


    Sources often say John Wayne was “billed” or “credited” (or not). Billing and credit is explained here for clarification.

    Billing is a performing arts term used in referring to the order and other aspects of how Credits (the list of actors and behind-the-scenes staff who contributed to the production) are presented in films and other creative works. Information given in billing usually consists of the companies, actors, directors, producers and other crew members.
    From the beginning of motion pictures in the 1900s to the early 1920s, the moguls that owned or managed big film studios did not want to bill the actors appearing in their films because they did not want to recreate the star system that was very prominent on Broadway at that time. They also feared that, once actors were billed on film, they would be more popular and would seek sky-high salaries.
    In 1910 Florence Lawrence previously only known to the general public as the "Biograph girl", was lured away from Biograph by Carl Laemmle for his new Independent motion picture company (IMP). Laemmle offered her more money and marquee billing, something Biograph did not allow at the time. She became the first film star to receive billing on the credits of her film. From then on, actors received billing on film. Also originating during that time was the system of billing above and below the title, to delineate the status of the players. Big stars such as Pickford, Fairbanks, and Chaplin were billed above the title, while lesser movie stars and supporting players were billed below the title.
    During the era of the studio system, on-screen billing was presented at the beginning of a film; only a restatement of the cast and possibly additional players appeared at the end, because the studios had actors under contract and could decide billing. The studios still followed the billing system of the silent era.
    However, after the studio system's collapse in the 1950s, actors and their agents fought for billing on a film-by-film basis expanding its size significantly. Since the late 1960s, a significant amount of the billing is reserved for the closing credits of the film, which generally includes a recap of the billing shown at the beginning. In addition, more stars began to demand top billing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billing_(film)



    The Timeline

    Is taken to 1931 as it appears that for the most part, after this time John Wayne was credited on screen.



    The Table

    Shows those films, in order of release date, which we have established John Wayne was probably involved with. Clicking on the film title will take you to the clip of film where John Wayne appears with opening and closing credits.

    Where we have stated “Not credited on screen” we mean that we have viewed the film and not found John Wayne’s name shown in the opening or closing credits. Clicking on that link will take you to the clip of film where John Wayne appears with opening and closing credits.

    Where we have stated “to be confirmed” this only means that to date we have not viewed the film. Clicking on that link will take you to the additional notes following the table.


    RED Not viewed by or held in the collections of the authors.

    Blue Clickable hyperlink (Click on these to follow the links)

    *** There are further notes for these films following the table.

    timeline.jpg Page 3 the timeline

    AA table.pdf Page 4 and 5 the table




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    Issue 2 of "JOHN WAYNE BEFORE STAGECOACH" coming soon!

    This will include screen captures showing JW in all those films where it is stated he was uncredited, an extra etc.

    It could include video clips? (the one I send out on DVD does)

    I am also prepared to provide screen captures of the opening and closing credits in order for the correct information to be included in the film list on this site.

    After all the films themselves should be the only evidence needed of JW's participation and credit (or not as the case may be)?

    A large document so can administrators accomodate this please? Assuming you would like it posted? :wink_smile:

    thanks Elly

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    Quote from Elly

    Hi

    ColoradoBob, RoughRider and myself are putting together a document with the Working title of "John Wayne before stagecoach"

    This will include but not be confined to, as many references and quotes as possible from the many books written about JW.




    ISSUE ONE of this on-going project now available as a data DVD with clips showing exactly where John Wayne appears in many of these movies!

    If you would like a copy please send me a PM.

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    Thanks Keith

    I will go to the movie reviews and see what you have posted there

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    Hi

    ColoradoBob, RoughRider and myself are putting together a document with the Working title of "John Wayne before stagecoach"

    This will include but not be confined to, as many references and quotes as possible from the many books written about JW.

    In particular we are keen to supply enough information (and a clip where possible) to support the inclusion in any JW filmography, of those films where JW is un-credited.

    We are also hoping to include clips actually showing JW from as many of these movies as we can. RoughRider has already done a brilliant job on quite a few of these which can be viewed on his website at

    http://www.vanc.igs.net/~rough…ayne_dvd_filmography.html


    Maybe we will release this onto DVD for anyone interested.

    HOWEVER WE NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE!!!

    Trying to find JW in some of these films is very difficult and the more we watch, well me in particular the less I can see of anything let alone JW LOL

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE

    Can you dig out any copies you have of the films listed below and see if you can spot JW.

    You can send me a PM if you are interested in helping and do not have a copy.

    Roughrider has some references on the role JW may have played in these films on the above website.
    If you have any information on these films and JW's role in them I would be grateful for that also.

    THANK YOU


    Listed in order of date of release

    1926 Sep Bardelys the Magnificent
    1926 Oct Great K&A Train Robbery
    1927 May Annie Laurie
    1927 Sep Drop Kick (aka Glitter 1928 UK)
    1928 Jan Mother Machree (Fox)
    1928 Nov Noah’s Ark
    1929 May Black Watch (aka King of the Khyber Rifles UK)
    1930 Jan Lone Star Ranger, the
    1931 May Women of all nations
    1938 Feb Painted trail, The

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    Thanks Arthur and the work goes on! However there is someone else who has had a hand in this, RoughRider

    he has put some clips on his excellent website

    http://www.vanc.igs.net/~rough…ayne_dvd_filmography.html

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    Hi Bob

    Thank you so much for quoting the full text of What Tim Lilley wrote re Women of all nations.

    When you have the full text and not the just the edited version posted by Keith IMHO it reads quite differently.

    The full text to me is saying DONT KNOW not Definately did not?

    Like you, where we have other references and until it is proved categoriclayy that JW did not have anything to do with these movies they are staying on my list

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    Here is the reply I had from AFI re my query regarding Women of all nations 1931

    From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: 13 January 2010 17:53
    To: [email protected]
    Cc: Information AFI
    Subject: John Wayne film appearance



    Dear Ms. Reid,
    Thank you for contacting AFI.com. Unfortunately, we cannot confirm that John Wayne acted in the film WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS (1931). We can tell you, though, that an AFI Catalog staff member had access to Fox production files for the film and did not find Wayne's name listed. Some other prominent names, including Humphrey Bogart, were listed as cast members whose parts had been cut, so it seems likely that the staff member would have come across Wayne's name (even if listed under his real name) and mentioned it. In the early 1990s, when the film was cataloged, the Fox records were available at UCLA's Special Collections Department, but we understand that that may no longer be the case.
    Assuming that you have looked through all of the autobiographical and biographical films on Wayne, the only other suggestions we can make--and this is something of a long shot--is to look at Variety or Film Daily for the period around the time of proudcuction and scour for news items that might have mentioned his casting. Another alternative is to look at Film Daily Yearbooks or Players' Directories for the earwy 1930s. Sometimes even minor actors list extensive credits, even if their roles were ultimately cut from specific films.
    Although Wayne's daughter-in-law Gretchen retains offices in Burbank for Batjac, we were unable to find an email contact address for them.
    Good Luck on your research. If you find a definitive answer, we would love to hear and adjust he AFI Catalog record.
    Sincerely,
    AFI Catalog Staff

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    Here is the correspondence i have received so far but am still working on it!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected] [[email protected]]
    Sent: 06 January 2010 02:58
    To: [email protected]; [email protected]
    Subject: Selected records from AFI Catalog
    These records were extracted from American Film Institute Catalog, produced by Chadwyck-Healey (from ProQuest LLC) in collaboration with the American Film Institute.
    Data copyright © 2003-2009 American Film Institute.
    Data arrangement and software copyright © 2009 ProQuest LLC. All rights reserved.
    　
    　
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    Title: Women of All Nations (1931)
    Fox Film Corp. Distribution Co. Fox Film Corp. Release 31 May 1931 New York opening: week of 29 May 1931 Production mid-Feb--late Mar 1931 [© Fox Film Corp. 15 May 1931; LP2246; ] 71-72min.; 8 reels; 6,441ft.; Black & White Sound: Western Electric System
    Source: Based on characters originally created by Laurence Stallings and Maxwell Anderson.
    Series: Flagg and Quirt
    Production Credits: Presenter: Wm. Fox; [Director: Raoul Walsh]; [Story, Continuity and] Dialogue: Barry Conners; Photography: Lucien Andriot; Art Director: David Hall; [Editor: Jack Dennis]; Music score: Carli Elinor; Sound Recording: George Leverett; Production Manager: Archie Buchanan; [Technical work: Captain Bradley]; [Double: Albert Dresden].
    Cast: Victor McLaglen:[(Captain Jim Flagg)], Edmund Lowe:[(Sergeant Harry Quirt)], Greta Nissen:[(Elsa)], El Brendel:[(Olsen)], [Fifi D'Orsay:(Fifi)], [Marjorie White:(Margie)], [Jesse De Vorska:(Izzy Kaplan)], [Marion Lessing:(Gretchen)], [T. Roy Barnes:(Captain of the Marines)], [Ruth Warren:(Ruth)], [Bela Lugosi:(Prince Hassan)], [Joyce Compton:(Kiki)], [Charles Judels:(Leon)], [Albert Dresden:(Mullen)], [Captain Bradley:(Captain)], [Arthur McLaglen:(Marine)], [Tom Myers:(Busher)]
    Genre: Comedy, Military
    Broad Subject: Romantic rivalry:; United States. Marine Corps:
    Specific Subjects: Battleships:; Beauty shops and hair salons:; New York City--Brooklyn:; Cafés:; Chases:; Christmas:; Dancers:; Fights:; Harems:; Palaces:; Panama Canal (Panama):; Police raids:; Recruiting and enlistment:; Santa Claus:; Sneezing:; Sweden:; World War I:
    Plot Summary: In the trenches of the Verdun front during World War I, Captain Jim Flagg and Sergeant Harry Quirt, rivals in love and other endeavors, shake hands before an attack on the enemy, although Quirt stipulates, "if we pull through, this don't go." The attack succeeds, and after the war, Flagg and Quirt, to whom scrapping is second nature, rejoin the Marines. After escapades in the Philippines and China, they wind up on a battleship in the Panama Canal, where mutual name-calling leads Flagg to throw a tomato at Quirt. It hits the commanding officer, and Flagg is thrown in the brig. After their discharge, in Brooklyn, their hometown, Flagg runs a Marine recruiting office with his subordinate Olsen, whose recurring sneezes annoy Flagg, who thinks someone is giving him "the razzberry." Flagg's one recruit is Izzy Kaplan, whose father gets Flagg to promise that he'll look after Izzy. Across the hall, women flock to a beauty parlor run by a Professor Dubois, who, when the joint is raided, Flagg discovers is really Quirt. By threatening to turn Quirt over to the police, Flagg forces him to re-enlist, and thus wins an extra week's furlough for himself. They are next sent on a goodwill cruise to Scandinavia. In Gothenburg, Sweden, at a cafe on Christmas Eve, Flagg flirts with a blonde dancer named Elsa and discovers that the Santa Claus whom she kisses is really Quirt. Elsa's huge sweetheart Olaf then throws Quirt and Olsen through a closed door and Flagg through a wall. Next, in Nicaragua after an earthquake, the Marines help in the relief effort. As Izzy, mortally wounded, lies dying, Flagg promises to make sure that his father gets his insurance money. Flagg then helps dislodge a Marine caught underneath fallen rubble only to discover the man to be Quirt. Their next order takes them to a Mediterranean port, where Flagg finds Elsa, now the favorite in the harem of Prince Hassan, whom she met in Paris. After Quirt tricks Flagg into giving him a boost over the palace wall, Elsa whispers to Quirt what the prince will do to him if he is found there. Nevertheless, she convinces him to stay, and when Flagg arrives, she hides Quirt in a closet and tells him to come out when she meows. Flagg starts to leave when Elsa repeats to him what the prince will do if he is found there, but she implores him to stay. When the prince arrives, Elsa hides Flagg in her bathroom. A real cat then meows, which provokes Quirt to meow back. Flagg, thinking the sound is coming from Elsa, joins in the meows, and Olsen, hiding behind Elsa's door, completes the cat chorus. Hassan finds the three and has his guards, who brandish sharpened knives, chase them. Elsa helps Olsen escape by dressing him in her clothes, while Flagg and Quirt subdue two guards and take their uniforms. They carry the royal chair out of the palace, thinking Elsa is inside, and as they argue about who will take care of her, Olsen's sneeze from inside ends their dispute. As Flagg, Quirt and Olsen parade through town with other Marines, women wave to them.
    Note: After the opening credits, a title card reads, "I first heard of Flagg and Quirt from my friend Captain Laurence Stallings of the 5th U.S. Marines. At that time they were in action on the Verdun Front, France." The card is signed by the director Raoul Walsh. Fox made two previous films featuring the characters Flagg and Quirt, the 1926 What Price Glory and the 1929 The Cock-Eyed World, both directed by Walsh and starring McLaglen and Lowe (see AFI Catalog of Feature Films, 1921-30; F2.6213 and F2.0940) and one later film, the 1933 Hot Pepper (see below), directed by John Blystone and again starring McLaglen and Lowe. Walsh, in his autobiography, commented, "Women of All Nations was a turkey because it could not be anything else. A third McLaglen-Lowe film was just too much for the public."       Information in the Twentieth Century-Fox Records of the Legal Department at the UCLA Theater Arts Library indicate that James Gleason, Basil Woo n, William K. Wells and Walter C. Kelly wrote material for the film, but that only Barry Conners' material was used in the final film. Humphrey Bogart and Nat Pendleton are listed as cast members in early screen credit sheets in the legal records, and still photographs from the film's production show Bogart with McLaglen and Lowe in the battleship sequence. Neither Bogart nor Pendleton were apparent in the print viewed, and an examination of the film's continuity taken from the screen did not reveal scenes with their characters. In addition, in the final screen credit sheet in the legal records, for the print that was shipped from Hollywood to New York on 13 May 1931, neither Bogart's nor Pendleton's name appears, thus indicating that their scenes were cut from the final film. Information in the legal records indicates that J. Henry Kruse led the singers and directed the Swedish orchestra in the Swedish sequence of the film. Although reviews and modern sources call both Fl agg and Quirt sergeants, Flagg is called a captain in the film's dialogue.

    Var commented that the "meow chorus" was reminiscent of a scene in Paramount's Dishonored, also starring McLaglen, which was released earlier in 1931 (see above). Var also noted that "the wholesale cutting is obvious and results in many pointless sequences."

    Source citations: Film Daily 31 May 31, p. 10.; HF 21 Feb 31, p. 24.; HF 21 Mar 31, p. 24.; Hollywood Reporter 13 May 31, p. 3.; Motion Picture Herald 10 Jan 31, p. 40.; Motion Picture Herald 30 May 31, p. 54.; New York Times 30 May 31, p. 9.; Variety 2 Jun 31, p. 15.
    　
    　
    　

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    hi RR

    Re four sons animated clip Looking at that with my poor eyes I would say it is JW.

    However I too have a copy of this film on DVD and will dig it out and watch these scenes in a bigger screen then get back to you.