Posts from Danny Wilde in thread „Duke's Deleted Scenes and Missing Footage“


    Originally posted by RoughRider@Dec 7 2006, 05:13 PM
    A correction on my part. The index time of the official Region 1 DVD of Rio Bravo is 2:20:55, as I said earlier, but in PAL that would be 2:15:16:20. I just checked using the WFT Timecode calculator. Ignore the 20 frames at the end, although technically this is two-thirds of a second. So your UK DVD is the full version and has PAL speed-up.

    As for the variances in Angel and the Badman, one minute is too much. I have various copies of the film, including the somewhat official version from the Hal Roach library, and the times don't vary by more than 10 seconds. But such minor differences are probably caused by varying reel transitions. The minute difference you mention could be an encoding issue, though.


    Thanks a lot for your detailed reactions! I am glad that the Region 2 disc is the full version of Rio Bravo.

    The running time of the Region 0 disc (NTSC) is 2:20:36 and of the Region 2 disc (PAL) 2:15:17. Both start exactly at zero seconds. I played both discs on a Phillips DVD player and I can watch both discs alternatively because I have two cart cables attached to my TV.
    I've been through the two versions of the movie and haven't found any missing scenes so speed up could be the cause of this strange difference in time.

    I've got the USA release of Angel and the Badman (Laser Light version with introduction by Tony Curtis) and a Region 2 version of this movie and they differ about 1 minutes (and excluding the missing intro "Republic Pictures presents" that's not on the Region 2 disc). Can speed up differ that much between a 100 minute movie and a 140 minute movie?

    Thanks very much for your detailed answer. Sorry but I didn't spot it earlier.

    I didn't know that PAL speed up was 4%! That could make up for the difference in time, assuming that the speed up is not linear. I have an "official Chinese" Region 0 version of Rio Bravo from the early years of DVD, I stopped the picture at 48 minutes and then used a different DVD Player to check the Region 2 Warner release. The same picture appeared at 45 minute, so 3 minutes were already lost in the first 45 minutes running time of the movie. That would mean the total movie would speed up 9 to 10 minutes in total if the speed up was linear (the same speed up of 4% during the total movie).

    But as you mentioned although I've seen the movie maybe 12 to 15 times already I haven't compared the two versions scene by scene, I've just done an index time comparison.

    Thanks for the information about the earlier UK VHS release and the reactions about the other movies from other visitors (Alamo, McQ, Big Trail). The DVD releases should have included the 'missing scenes' in unrestored version in any way. Just like they included the unremastered featurette on the DVD of McQ these things are what make DVD the most interesting medium above VHS.

    I doubt whether the 2 Disc Searchers release will include any deleted scenes according to the news on DVD Times:

    Disc 1:
    Newly remastered and restored from original VistaVision film elements
    Introduction by Patrick Wayne (John’s son)
    Commentary by Director Peter Bogdanovich (The Last Picture Show, What’s Up, Doc?)
    Theatrical trailer

    Disc 2:
    The Searchers: An Appreciation
    A Turning of the Earth: John Ford, John Wayne and The Searchers
    Behind the Cameras:
    Meet Jeffrey Hunter
    Monument Valley
    Meet Natalie Wood
    Setting Up Production

    The Searchers: Ultimate Collector’s Edition which includes a Two-Disc Special Edition DVD with extensive all-new bonus features, plus a full color 36-page press book, a 36-page reproduction of the original Dell comic book, filmmaker memos and correspondence, several behind-the-scenes photos and a mail-in theatrical poster.

    For the complete news about all DVD's in this collection see: