Agreed, an outstanding and rich film. I try to watch it at least annually and I notice something new every time I watch. The cultural density is like no other.
...wonder if it's out on Blu-Ray yet...
Not me, I hate anti-American American films.
Posts from The Ringo Kid in thread „Dances with Wolves (1990)“
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Ouch!! Enough of the Costner bashing, gees!!!
:sport_box:Author assumes all responsibility for this post and can take any ribbing that people want to dish out!! hehehehe!!!:teeth_smile:
Hi Todd, im not Costner-bashing. I only posted what I saw from that other site as something to create a bit of humor. Also, we already agreed to disagree about how we both feel about Costner. I only posted my opinion of him. Sorry that is such a sin to do these days? However, i'll respect your wishes and will never mention his name again or anything about his movies.
PS, I don't feel that his name is "Mud," either. The above mentioned actor just hasn't made more than one movie that I liked him in.
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Not bad, not bad, still haven't watched it, but am getting closer.
Chester
I hate to dissappoint Todd more by blasting this movie but, I wouldn't even bother watching it unless you wan't about 3 hrs of boredom. No offenses meant towards Todd. If you want to get you "fix" of Kevin Costner-re-watch The Untouchables. -
Heh heh, I was on another site where there was a thread that was about this movie. I nearly $%^^ed my pants when I read that someoen suggested that they rename this movie: "Dances With Weasels." Now THAT I can imagine ;-))
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I figured that you would get the message of the movie Carl, no offense.
I had a tough time the first time that I watched it. Too see the soldier's depicted the way they were was disheartening. I think that is what made my dad not much of a fan. He was brought up watching western's that showed the calvary soldiers as honorable men, ie Rio Grande, Fort Apache, ect..... and to see a different side to them and a ugly side to boot, it didn't sit well with him.
Hi Todd, none taken. I also think part of my "thing" against DWW is that I too were brought up on movies with a differance to them like the ones you mentioned. That movie would have been thought of by my Dad the same way as yours thought of it. -
Hi Todd, you got it (the agreeing part) ;-)) I do think that the Sioux Indians deal should be known but, this film just angered me in the way they showed it. I "got-the-message" of the film without having to see everything. What our govt did to the Indians back when, was terribly wrong. I mean, why the heck was it so hard for some of those (for lack of proper terminoligy) Indian Traders to just give them their correct amounts of food and other supplies. I mean, I know that was the most corrupt of American agencies in our history but, if I have a warehouse full of good food, and they Indians need to have it-i'd have let them have their supplies.
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While I don't disagree that they should have killed him. I think you might have missed the point of that scene, especially it being the opening scene. The way I interpreted the scene was that there must have been a higher power looking out for him because he was not meant to die on that battle field as even he thought he was going to do. If you remember, he didn't want to loose his leg and walk around the rest of his life as a cripple, he wanted to die on the field of battle. But because of a higher intervention he didn't die because he had more to do with his life(go out west, ect......).
That is how I thought the beginning was meant to be, maybe that will help you alittle Carl.
Hi Todd, great points made about that scene. I had not looked at it from that point of view before. The trouble for me is, is that I still dislike that movie. I think most of my dilike for that movie is also that it to me, is anti-US Govt and im getting sick of those hollywood types doing that to this great Country. I didn't read who the movies Director was but, i'd base every cent I own, that he's a screaminig liberal.
No offenses intended. The movie I think, would have been much better without that "I HAVE to be apologetic towards the Indians for the U.S> Govts behavior and treatments towards Indians" thing. Several times this has turned me off to several older Westerns. I don't remember titles but I do remember that one of them starred, was I think Dale Robertson? Not to be off topic too much but, in that Robertson movie, he plays a Cav Major or Capt? whose sympathies lay totally with the Indians. That movie was made in the 1950's sometime and to have such an attitude back then--could have not helped that movie much.
Anyway, said Robertson movie above could have been better but for all the anti USA sentiment that ran rampant in that movie-ruined it for me. Now I have no problems at all for people wanting to side with the Indians for a change but--that movie as well as D.W.W. went too far IMO.
At this point, I will most likely never watch Dances With Wolves again and it will never find it's way on DvD into my Western collection. This has zilch to do with Kevin Costner.
Sorry for my long-winded reply ;-))
PS, on that Robertson movie, if I had been his Commanding Officer, i'd have Court-Martialed him, and either sent him to Fort Leavenworth Prison, or maybe even have had him shot.
P.S.S. The samething above I would have also done had I been the Costner characters C.O. -
I agree with your assesment of the film Mark. I thought when it forst came out that it was a great movie and I too purchased the extended version.
Sorry Carl that you didn't like it. Why didn't you like the "raising of the arms" scene?
Hi Todd no problem ;-)) Why I didn't like that scene, well part of it is because that he was not shot off his horse by any of the Confederates who fired at him-making it totally unbelievable. Also, it must not be forgotten that the majority of Confederate Soldiers who served, were much more experianced in handling and firing weapons than most Billy Yanks were--because also, most of the CSA guys came from rural areas and wereall practically born with guns in their hands. With having so many soldiers shooting at Costner, he should have been a dead Duck.
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I'll have to go against the grain here in saying I thought this film was terrible and sucked Prune Pits all day.
My disliking for this film has nothing to do w/ Kevin Costner either. The movie started out fine but, when he decided to do his "suicidal horse ride" that was a bit too much. After that scene, the movie went down all the way. I saw it at the theater from beginning to ending and, it just didn't "click" w/ me.
