Posts from Elly in thread „Up the River (1930)“

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from chester7777

    Maybe its getting close to the time when Elly might be writing her own book.

    Chester :newyear:



    Not a snowball in hell's chance of me doing that! I am a good researcher but no JK Rowling!

    Anyway, this is just a hobby for me and I am very happy to share my findings and put everything I know on DVD for anyone who wanted it.

    If someone else wanted to publish it then fine but not me!

    The title should be the "Almost forgotten work of JW" Because as well as these early films it should include all of the radio, TV and narration work he did. And do not forget he was also a Stage actor. (in one play 1949 What price glory)

    And if there were plenty of screen captures and pictures, then maybe there would be enough for a book.

    Elly

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from ethanedwards

    Well said and done Arthur.
    It is a fruitful and rewarding exercise analyzing these old films,

    Perhaps the authors can now re-edit their books!



    Hello Keith

    It is also very tiring, time consuming and frustrating!

    NO! I hope they do not revise their books - just more cash in their pockets on the back of someone elses work! Unless of course they are bringing something new as well.

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from chester7777

    "And of course whilst all of this was going on JW shocked Ford with his impromptu walk on, so that's why Ford blanked him. Ford thought JW was getting above himself, walking into his picture without permission!! LOL"

    Just wondering, did the extras have to have permission from the Director to be in his film? Seems like the spots you have possibly located Duke were very distant from the on film action. Or did I miss a story where Duke was a bit pushier?
    Knowing Mr. Ford's history, I could visualize your scenario, easily.

    Chester :newyear;



    THIS WAS ME GETTING ABOVE MYSELF!!

    As a published author and world expert on all things John Wayne I was merely stating what I knew to be true LOL

    Seriously though, it was just conjecture on my part to tie together JW finishing filming the big trail, being in up the river and Ford blanking him.


    Good question about extras I would like to know the answer to that please?

    I am sure JW said he did the hanging scene in Hangmans house as a result of a phone call from his boss in the "swing gang". However Ford could have asked the boss of the gang to call JW. Just strikes me as an informal way of doing things that COULD have been the norm.

    kind regards

    Elly

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from RoughRider

    The information I quoted, Elly, was not to refute things but to substantiate them.



    Hello Neil

    I am so sorry I can see how you thought that, that was what I was doing.

    I was in fact replying to several posts within one and I should have made that clear.

    I also should have replied at a time was I was not so tired.

    But, I think we have concurred about the production time as you have said Tracy left New York in June and I have quoted Dan Ford saying that Fox were going to cancel but Ford persuded them to rewrite it as a comedy which was mid June. (taking 2 weeks)

    Also I read in the posts that Ford asked Tracy to extend his leave of absence for another 2 weeks. (which was originally for six weeks)

    so lets assume start date 1st July + 6 weeks takes us to mid August + another 2 weeks for reshooting scenes (without Tracy as he did not extend his LOA) etc. we are now at September. I assume that there is then an editing process and other techie things that have to happen? and the release date was 12th October.

    And of course whilst all of this was going on JW shocked Ford with his impromptu walk on, so that's why Ford blanked him. Ford thought JW was getting above himself, walking into his picture without permission!! LOL

    sound reasonable?



    My sincere apologies.

    Elly

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from RoughRider

    According to the book Spencer Tracy Fox Film Actor: The Pre-Code Legacy of a Hollywood Legend, Tracy arrived in Hollywood in the summer of 1930 to make Up the River. He had taken six weeks' leave from a play in New York, of which he was obligated to appear for several more months.

    Somewhere else I read that Tracy left New York for California in June 1930 to make Up the River, but I can't remember the source.

    It doesn't pinpoint the production date but does narrow it down based on an October 1930 premiere.



    Hi Neil

    thanks for this information. I think we need to bear in mind that we are talking about JW being involved in a very MINOR way with this film. Perhaps less than one days work.

    JW himself said "A funny thing happened with Ford after The Big Trail. He was a strange character, you know. After I did that picture, I came back, and he was making Up the River."

    Big trail was shot April to July so I really do not see why JW could NOT have had a small role in this film?

    Dan Ford said that Fox were going to cancel this film after the release by MGM of "the big house" 14th June 1930. However Ford persuaded Fox to let it be made as a comedy and Ford & others spent 2 weeks rewriting it as a comedy. If that is the case then shooting on Up the river started end June early July at the earliest.

  • Up the River (1930)

    Well said Arthur

    Now if you can find out for me please when Tracy's leave of abscence was we might be able to make an educated guess as to when shooting took place.

    And yes there are some good reliable books out there that document accurately the films of JW. Fred Landesman's book being the obvious one.

    thanks Elly

  • Up the River (1930)



    Hi Arthur

    Yes a good point about his birthday, he could well have been 23.

    thanks for pointing that out.

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from ethanedwards



    Unless they were made before The Big Trail!



    Hi Keith

    and here in is another dilemma!!

    WE DO NOT KNOW PRODUCTION DATES

    so it is very difficult to assume things from release dates.

    I think the reason the first meeting of JW with Ford is often said to be 1928 is because that is the RELEASE date of Mother Machree.

    HOWEVER, we KNOW that production on this film started September 1926

    Elly

  • Up the River (1930)



    Well Eyman did not even get JW AGE right "twenty-three year old kid"

    The point I keep making about basic inaccuracies in MOST of the books written about JW

    Elly

  • Up the River (1930)

    Quote from ethanedwards

    Shall we therefore list is as an official visible in our Filmography?
    Your Yes or No's please!



    Hello Keith

    I would say No until I have seen a better copy of this film which I have on order so may say YES in 10 days or so!!

    is that enough yes and nos for you LOL

    I spotted an uncredited Ward Bond when I watched this last time but did not note the time or take any screen shots. If you want me to let me know.

  • Up the River (1930)

    Hi Sue

    thank you HOWEVER,

    ALL CREDIT for this must go to NEIL (RoughRider) in this case I was just the messenger.

    People never cease to amaze me in thier behaviour towards others. Thank the Lord I am blessed with lots of gracious and respectful people in my life and work.

  • Up the River (1930)

    I just had this from Neil (RoughRider)

    Here are quotes from a Peter Bogdanovich interview with John Wayne that shows he was actually on the set of Up the River. This adds credence to the still of what could be Wayne in the background:



    A funny thing happened with Ford after The Big Trail. He was a strange character, you know. After I did that picture, I came back, and he was making Up the River. I went over and said, “Hi, coach.” Nothing. I thought he didn’t hear me. So I figured, Oh, well, he didn’t even see me. The next time I saw him I went, “Hi, coach, hi.” And again I didn’t get anything. So the next time I just went right up in front of him and went, “Hi, coach.” And he turned and talked to somebody else. I thought, That’s that — he won’t speak to me. I don’t know how the hell I can communicate.


    About two years later, I was in Catalina with Ward, having a belt, and Barbara [Ford], his daughter — she was a little girl then — she ran in and said, ‘Daddy wants to see you.” I said, “Whoa, wait a minute, Barbara, you got the wrong boy — must be Ward.” She said, “No, it’s you, Duke.” So I said, “Yeah, honey, run along, you know this is a bar.” So his wife, Mary Ford, came to the door and she said, “Duke, come here. Jack is expecting you out there.” I said, “All right.” So I went out to the Araner, his boat, and I go aboard — I remember Jim Tully was there and four or five guys — and Jack was in the middle of a goddamn story, and he looked up at me and said, “Hi, Duke, sit down.” And to this goddamn day I don’t know why he didn’t speak to me for two years.



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