Posts from Hawkswill in thread „THREE BAD MEN: John Ford, John Wayne, Ward Bond“

Spoke to Courtney Joiner the other day. He read Three Bad Men and liked it. So far, he has only published a short review on Amazon, but I will put up what he posts on his other outlets. Should be getting Mike Siegel's one soon and the Q and A from Directed by John Ford. Hope all of you have enjoyed it. Would love for you to put your thoughts on here. Even if you didn't like it, LOL! If you don't know Courtney, Google him..........he has written some really good things. Here is his site: http://www.ccourtneyjoyner.com/ KEITH

And here is what he put on Amazon:

Well researched, and well served, September 3, 2013
By
C. Courtney Joyner "Olcourt"

This review is from: Three Bad Men: John Ford, John Wayne, Ward Bond (Paperback)
I'm very glad that this book exists, as it sheds light on the triangle of friendship/workship between Ford, Wayne, and Bond, as they created some of the best films ever made. THREE BAD MEN has stirred some comments, and some controversy, which is as it should be, since these men led controversial lives, particularly as we look at them in retrospect. However, the point the book brings up is that their achievements, both together and as individuals, shouldn't be muddled by a view of who we think the men were personally, especially because of their politics, which were also more complex than we've been given to believe in other works. Ford, Wayne and Bond are difficult topics to cover, as I know from my own writings, because the opinions on the men as men differ so wildly, and everything is now lost to memory. As an example, writer/director Burt Kennedy, who had a good relationship with Ford, and one he could laugh through with Wayne, couldn't stand Bond. Or, Ford's support of Joseph Mankiewicz when he was being hounded by the right-wing of the DGA, led by Cecil B. DeMille, to step down as president. Ford stood up for J.M., which many say saved his position at the DGA, but still maintained his friendship with DeMille. A contradiction, as is the fact that Wayne and Ford both inspired amazing loyalty in co-workers, even when making things tough on set, sometimes for everyone, and sometimes for each other. THREE BAD MEN addresses the pieces of this puzzle, that don't always fit neatly together.
Today, the common thinking about Wayne, Ford and Bond is that they saw everything in terms of stark, simple contrasts, with no grays in between, which isn't true. They were complex men, who achieved greatness, but also paid some prices along the way. THREE BAD MEN book serves its subject well, by showing us the deep, sometimes damning, friendship of three icons of American movies.

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LOL, Mark, you have had it on your list for quite some time. Save pennies,.......they mount up quickly, you know!

Guess what I got as a surprise in the mail?

Strange, that has happened to me quite a few times since the new format. There MUST be a key that if you hit by mistake...it sends the mail. Oh well.............I just keep trying and hope for the best with this new thing, LOL!

Anyway, I got a BLUE RAY PLAYER!. Peter, (Dooley), sent it to me. I am just so excited......now have to hit Wally World and find some of those $5 blue rays I have been seeing. Dang,...........now I wish I had bought them back then.

Hope you and your family are OK........Oops, off subject, sorry. Sure would love for YOU to read the book and write a review. I will post it on my blog and website. Hugs to all, KEITH

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Not bad, Bob. Almost like a professional book review. Could have fooled me. I got it on my want list, thinking I should stop wanting and start getting! Thanks for letting us all know how you enjoyed it.

Mark

LOL, Mark, you have had it on your list for quite some time. Save pennies,.......they mount up quickly, you know!

Guess what I got as a surprise in the mail?

Well, BOB, when I asked you to do it, I KNEW you would do a good job. All you have to do is take a look at your website! Glad you liked it..........hard not to if you want to really know what went on in the three men's lives. Still hoping Ethan Keith will find a way to read it......amazing that he hasn't yet. Might have something to do with the fact that I had something to do with it, LOL............hope not.

I had him all set to be sent a book......not my fault McFarland sent PDFs to out of the country folks. Sure glad it didn't bother Colin in Greece..........he got his out almost as soon as he received it. Now THAT is a book reviewer, LOL!

Things are winding down now. Still have a few to get their reviews in, and two magazines. Then, I will be done with this FREE project that took up hours of my time everyday since about Janurary, (no, I don't get a commission, LOL). Sure met some nice and VERY important people in this endeavour. In fact, should be signing a contract for a docu-drama soon.......has a advance too.....always nice.

Thanks again Bob. Nice to have a great review from some one from JWMB!..............oops forgot Bill's............he got his in early, and posted it a lot of places that counted.

I have a feeling this will become the primary resource for Pappy. This will be the FIRST book to read for research as it explains his life with "his boys". Then, the others will be read. If fact, some folks about to write about Pappy, Duke, whatever, will hopefully see the reviews and read Three Bad Men first. Otherwise, by the time they get to it in their research.........they will have to change whole basic concepts. Yep, this book is THE book now. Oh, another may come out down the road that is better, (can't imagine how), but for now.......Three Bad Men: John Ford, John Wayne, and Ward Bond is the "Bible". About time!

Still would like to hear ETHAN KEITH's take on the book. I mean......that is his purpose here.......and he has done an awful lot of new people "bios" lately, which is always great. Maybe that is why he hasn't really given us a review on the book. If he did, and I missed it............sorry...........have not had the time to keep up with JWMB as I used to, and also.......I get totally lost just trying to FIND things on the new format, LOL!

Again Bob.......great review, and thank you ever so much. KEITH

This morning Three Bad Men was 80 out of about 400,000 books on Amazon....not too shabby!

Had a problem putting in a review from a while back.......so I will put it in now along with a couple of others.

This is from Sean Gill athttp://juntajuleil.blogspot.co…ee-bad-men-john-ford.html His blog is very diverse. You can find a little of everything here.

This is from Carla, one of the ADMINS on Save the Quiet Man Cottage.
It is our own Carla's review of Three Bad Men. Super Job Carla, and thanks so much for taking so much time from your busy schedule. Hope you are feeling better soon. KEITH Carla will be posting this in a great many places.

http://www.examiner.com/review/three-bad-men-john-ford-john-wayne-ward-bond-is-the-story-of-hollywood and the next is below

Well, we have another review for Three Bad Men. This is from Laura's Miscellaneous Musings written by Laura Grieve. Looks as if I was lucky enough to choose some good folks as each is finding a little something different about the book.
Here is Laura's Offering:

http://laurasmiscmusings.blogs…ee-bad-men-john-ford.html

She is a Ward fan also. KEITH


Laura's Miscellaneous Musings: Book Review: Three Bad Men: John Ford, John Wayne, Ward Bond

laurasmiscmusings.blogspot.com

Please excuse the small letters....haven't figured out how to make them larger yet. KEITH When you read them, please leave a comment for the Author of the Review. Thanks. Ah, you have to go to Advanced!

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If that interview is ever available online I sure would like a link to it!

Hi There Irish, my fine fellah! Since I had no idea about this until a few hours ago.....I have NO IDEA, LOL. However, I have a call in and should be finding out soon. It may have just been an interview for something they are going to write. But, I will see what I can do. Should be talking to the Feature manager either later or in the morning. Sure would be fun to hear an interview with Scott on his favorite subject, LOL! KEITH

I missed this from May 22nd........just found it. Funny Scott didn't mention it in our emails.......probably waiting for a well deserved "atta boy", LOL. Anyway, once out, it will go on the website. KEITH

From Scott, author of Three Bad Men

• I just did a 70-minute interview about THREE BAD MEN for a new TV GUIDE magazine. I forgot about it, and was half asleep, but I mustered up enough energy to talk about Pappy, Duke and Judge! My only copy of the book is packed up in a moving box!
  

The Grapes of Wrath (20th Century–Fox, 1940; directed
by John Ford). Soon after Darryl F. Zanuck finished
editing The Grapes of Wrath, Ford wrote this unusual
letter containing his “review.” After butting heads with
the mogul several times, he committed to Hollywood
Athletic Club stationery his praise for the producer’s
work. This letter is proof of the collaborative nature of
filmmaking under the Hollywood Studio System (and
should inform those who cling to the auteur theory).
Ford said, “It is wrong to liken a director to an author.
He is more like an architect.” (copyright 2013 Scott Allen Nollen)
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Here's another SUPER RARE original still from an early John Ford silent! Future director DAVID BUTLER in THE VILLAGE BLACKSMITH (1922), based on Longfellow's famous poem. Butler went on to direct great musicals and films in many other genres, and then became a regular in television (including directing several episodes of WAGON TRAIN starring WARDELL E. BOND!).

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Incredibly RARE original still from John Ford's silent THE FACE ON THE BAR-ROOM FLOOR (1923), starring the great early film actor HENRY B. WALTHALL, who was one of D.W. Griffith's biggest stars and a superb performer! In the 1930s, he became a fine character actor, and one of his most memorable roles is in Tod Browning's THE DEVIL DOLL (1936).
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RARE original candid from Myrna Loy's wedding to 20th Century-Fox producer Gene Markey, January 3, 1946: JOHN FORD (in his beloved Naval uniform) with (left to right, from Pappy) Mr. Della Williams (Myrna's mom), Gene Markey, Myrna Loy, and Admiral William F. "Bull" Halsey. WAYNE and BOND both attended the wedding.

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Original title lobby card for Ford's masterpiece HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941), featuring Walter Pidgeon, Maureen O'Hara, Donald Crisp, Anna Lee and Roddy McDowall.

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Original lobby card from MISTER ROBERTS (1955), which turned out pretty well, considering all the mayhem that ensued during its production! An incredible cast, including WILLIAM POWELL, HENRY FONDA, JACK LEMMON, WARD BOND, PATRICK WAYNE, TIGE ANDREWS, KEN CURTIS and NICK ADAMS!
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JOHN WAYNE is reteamed with his STAGECOACH costar, CLAIRE TREVOR, in ALLEGHENY UPRISING (1939). Original publicity portrait.
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Classic image from Monument Valley: JEFFREY HUNTER, JOHN WAYNE and WARD BOND in Ford's monumental masterpiece, THE SEARCHERS (1956). Original color publicity still.
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Well, it has been a while since "dumber than a rock" Keith could post pictures properly, so.....please forgive me if double post. Hope you enjoy them anyway. I hadn't seen a good many. AND, I haven't even HEARD of some of the films, LOL. Well, here we go..........it worked last time, and I taught Bill, (Gorch) on the phone how to post them the other night. Hope it still works the same way, LOL!
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Aha, looks as if it will work. The is Ward in The Devil's Playground 1937

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Glad to hear it's all going well Keith, I imagine for Scott its going better than expected

Hi Irish, Scott normally does not promote his books..........they just keep on selling as they are "histories" of folks like Sinatra, Oliver and Hardy, Karloff, Robeson, Jethro Tull Band, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Robin Hood, etc. The books are used in filmography and music classes, etc. I have promoted this one in quite a few places since January, and Scott has posted something on Facebook almost every day. Also, McFarland, his publisher sends out about 10 books to library organizations, scholarly magazines, etc. I chose 23 reviewers who were mostly bloggers, some book reviewers, and folks like Keith (Ethan), and some magazines. The overseas folks only got PDFs because of a $23 shipping fee. So, a few, of the overseas are not going to do reviews. However, Colin got a PDF, (he is from Greece), and he not only got out the first review, but also did a bang up job of it. Was hoping to see one from Keith, but don't know if he is going to do one or not. He hasn't gotten back to me on it although I let him know of the situation. Would be nice if he would do one..........but there will be lots more coming out that will be trustworthy! I have two national Western Magazines making space for it soon. I am not even sure if Ethan has put the book on with Duke's books.......last time I looked, I didn't see it. It is really a great book. Toby said he has only a very few books that he keeps to help him with continuity, fluidity, etc. for the writing of his own books..........Three Bad Men in now in that list.

Anyway, he is quite pleased the way things are going, yes. Oh, he just finished his book AFTER Three Bad Men. It is The Black Diamond and is about Theron Denson, a man who used to sing in a choir until a friend told him he sounded exactly like Neil Diamond.....which, he does! Neil has endorsed him, and he does concerts all over now. Scott has been interviewing, taking pics, and writing about 16 hours a day and has just sent the book in for first proofing from Theron. There is a huge concert in Nashville where Scott will be a VIP guest and will be selling the book. I plan to meet him there with a couple of my friends and help him with the book sales..........hope to do a couple of T-shirts also. He says my friends and I will be his "entourage", LOL. He is almost totally confined to a wheelchair now, so we will be helping him to get around while the band guys and Theron are busy with the concert. Sounds like a lot of fun. I NEED a vacation after this Three Bad Men bit......although, it WILL be sort of a working one!

Thanks Irish. Hope you can read it soon. KEITH

Sorry it took so long for me to try it for you Bill, but I am still a bit buried with Three Bad Men Stuff...........some very important reviewers are a little late, but......they are busy as we all are. Learned a few things and asked for help. Keith reposted one, but that doesn't help me to post, LOL. It is amazing that so many things were changed but I didn't get any notice of this or any instructions for the new format...........did you? I think some things are probably for the good, but unless I am doing something wrong, when you write a new post....you are at the other end of the thread page, so you can't just scroll down below to see what was said before for your answer.............you have to go all the way to the other end of the thread page. Well, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if not, sure don't like THAT change. Really haven't had much time to "work" with the new changes. Wanted to post some rare photos I just got...........but not going to bother until I learn how to make them post full size. I have tried posting from the computer and using URLs........no go. If YOU and anyone else find out....let me know. Obviously, it can be done, because Larry is doing it. Good luck, Bill. Sure would like to post these new ones. But not in midget size, LOL. YK Oh, don't know if my new friend, the TV reporter who had met Duke and so very many others ever got on, but he couldn't for a couple of days. He has some fanTAStic stories. Need to get back in touch with him. He was a bit miffed that, try as he might, he was not able to sign in.

Super rare original lobby card from Ford's silent, THE BLUE EAGLE (1926), featuring JANET GAYNOR, superman GEORGE O'BRIEN, and MARGARET LIVINGSTON. FROM SCOTT. KEITH

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David Butler Vill.jpgAre there instructions anywhere for the photos. From my computer does not put it in the body. And I copy the URL.......it doesn't work at all. I was asked by a few folks to try to help, but I don't have a clue. Will try a couple of more things and give up. Help if anyone knows. Have lots to post from Three Bad Men. Thanks KEITH Wait, maybe THIS will work.

Scott says, "Here's another SUPER RARE original still from an early John Ford silent! Future director DAVID BUTLER in THE VILLAGE BLACKSMITH (1922), based on Longfellow's famous poem. Butler went on to direct great musicals and films in many other genres, and then became a regular in television (including directing several episodes of WAGON TRAIN starring WARDELL E. BOND!).

dukewayne.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3733/ Super rare original lobby card from Ford's silent, THE BLUE EAGLE (1926), featuring JANET GAYNOR, superman GEORGE O'BRIEN, and MARGARET LIVINGSTON. FROM SCOTT. KEITH

Victor McLaglen, Boris Karloff and Douglas Walton in Ford's THE LOST PATROL (1934). Original publicity still.

Boris sure was in a lot more "regular" movies than I realized. I MAY just get one of Scott's books on him. He was supposed to be one of the nicest guys in movies..........amazing looking at the parts he played. KEITH

Victor McLaglen, Boris Karloff and Douglas Walton in Ford's THE LOST PATROL (1934). Original publicity still.

Boris sure was in a lot more "regular" movies than I realized. I MAY just get one of Scott's books on him. He was supposed to be one of the nicest guys in movies..........amazing looking at the parts he played. KEITH

Glad you got it Russ......think everyone has theirs now.

Scott says, as of yesterday, "THREE BAD MEN is doing quite well on Amazon, reaching #22 on their list of bestselling film and entertainment books!"

I just can't wait for my other 21 reviewers to get their reviews posted. If it is doing this well with only 2, hopefully it will take off. Some of them cover some really great possible buyers! Might need to get one to post here. Perhaps we can get Directed by John Ford.com to post here.....think she is a member. She is doing a Questions and Answers Review. Could be interesting to say the least.

Any comments from those who have read it are more than welcome.

Thanks, KEITH

Thanks MB very much. About time someone posted, LOL. By the way, Duke "Joked" about Ward and sitting the bench. Duke was the one who mainly sat the bench........one reason he couldn't finish college. Ward started the USC championship football game at tackle, I THINK! Anyway, that was one of the reasons Ward, not Duke had the main role while Duke played a subservient one in Salute. Ward was always up front and Duke in the background. Ward was in the most football action, especially the closeups, although Duke was in it also.

Yep, Scott really opened up the true story of the Triumvirate.......which is actually the way it was.....not a duo as it has been portrayed for many years.

Thanks again Bill, YK