Posts from Drpmkp in thread „The Red River D Belt Buckle“

Do you remember the last scene in the Howard Hawks film 'Red River' when Thomas Dunson (John Wayne) and Matthew Garth (Montgomery Clift) make peace? Dunson advises Matt to marry Tess (Joanne Dru) and tells him that he will incorporate an 'M' into the Red River D brand, because he has earned it. The new brand is then drawn into the sand by Dunson.

Recently I ran across a unique buckle for sale on Ebay that incorporates this "Red River Last Scene" brand design into it. The maker of the buckle has been a master silversmith and goldsmith for over 40 years and is very familiar with the Red River D buckle story. The handsome buckle is made in silver with also gold added if requested. It is hand fabricated with the new owner’s initials added in the lower left corner.

Check out the Ebay listing if it’s still available to take a look at it. Put in "Red River Last Scene" in the Ebay search box to find it. It says a portion of the proceeds of the sale benefit the John Wayne Cancer Foundation. Check it out!

It's the time of the year to decorate the tree at the Red River D Ranch.
My request to Santa is to bring back this Kurt Adler ornament from several years ago. I do not know what year this ornament was issued.
Does anyone have any information on this item to share?

Kurt S. Adler
Catalog # JW2143
JOHN WAYNE™ RED RIVER BELT BUCKLE ORNAMENT
Item Size: 4.35 IN
Packaging Type: Polybag W/Rat Tail
Master Carton Dimensions: 16.50L x 15.13W x 10.00H

Season's Greetings from The Red River D Ranch!

This is a smaller size version of the Red River D buckle that John Wayne owned. This smaller buckle was only one inch wide by two and a half inches long. He wore it in his personal life. Due to it's smaller size it was much more comfortable for everyday wear. The buckle was sold at auction in 2011 for a price of $16,500.

I would be very interested to learn what year John Wayne acquired this buckle and the maker of it. It has the initials 'JW' in the lower corner. Also, instead of '1946' in the upper corner it had a Herford head.

The famous full size Red River D buckle from 1946 with initials 'HWH' that John Wayne wore in nine films remains missing. It was presumably stolen from a silver shop in Los Angeles in September 1981 when it was left there by the Wayne family to have copies made for the family.

According to the Los Angeles, California police bulletin from October 1981 the value of the buckle as a collector's item could exceed $100,000.

Here is a photo I found of a variation on the design of the Red River D buckle.
The buckle has the rope design around the edges with a loop in the lower left corner containing a star. There is a large 'D' used to spell put the name 'DUKE'S.' Between the two wavy lines is the word 'HOLLYWOOD" and at the bottom is the word 'COWBOYS.'

I have never seen anything like it before. I believe it was sold via Ebay or Etsy in March 2018 to at least one individual. More perhaps could have been sold.

Does anyone have any information on this buckle or happen to own one? Just curious.

This is sort of a "look but don't touch item." It's not for sale. I heard about it and was always curious of what it looked like. The family was kind enough to let me share the photos of it with you. The buckle will remain in the family as a keepsake.

Also, I might add, this buckle only has the word "STERLING" on the back side. This buckle was probably made sometime within the fifteen year period from 1946 until the La Azteca Silver Shop was sold in the early 1960's.

I mentioned in a previous post several months ago that I located an individual that claimed to own an unfinished Red River D buckle that was made in the same shop as the original 1946 buckles made for the cast and crew members of 'Red River.' The buckles were made in the La Azteca Silver Shop in Nogales, Sonora, Mexico just across the border from Nogales, Arizona. The filming location of Howard Hawks 'Red River' film took place in 1946 in Elgin, Arizona just about fifty or so miles from Nogales.
The Martinez family owned the La Azteca Silver Shop in Nogales for over thirty years. Brothers Jose and Elias were excellent craftsman in the jewelry and silver field. In the early 1960's the shop was sold to a successful Nogales businessman named Jose Guadalupe Jimenez Cortes. He was known to his friends as 'Lupe' and to thousands of customers as "Mickey" because of his longtime proprietorship of Mickey & Cia. on Avenida Obregen in Nogales, Sonora, Mexico.
This buckle was located in the shop among the other items included in the sale. Lupe gave it to his son. I located him and corresponded via text messages on several occasions. He said, yes, he indeed have the buckle and was very excited about sharing photos of it with me when he got the chance. Unfortunately, he passed away a couple months ago. I was able to follow up with his son who did locate the buckle provide me these photos to show you.

From what I have found out Wayne's original Red River D buckle was stolen from a silversmith shop in the early 80's when son Michael loaned it to them to have replicas made for friends and family. I had not heard of the Disney story about it. I suppose Disney could have requested a replica for perhaps some future business purpose.

I don't know about you, but I'm ready to buckle up settle down for a mug or two of the famous Nadine Groot chuck wagon style coffee on the old Red River D Ranch.

Yes, I've been wearing my buckle since November 2018 and I have not had even one person to ask about it when out in public.

It could be, however, that people are curious about my Red River D buckle but frightened of me. Maybe I need to go to places where it would be more recognized. But where would that be? Perhaps, rodeos, cattle auctions, Civil War reenactments, I don't know. Any suggestions where I could wear my Red River D buckle and be recognized?

I have recently located information on another Red River D belt buckle from the 1946 production of Howard Hawk's 'Red River.'

I found a video clip from the PBS TV show "ANTIQUES ROADSHOW" showing the appraisal of the buckle belonging to John Datu Arensma. John was born December 30, 1896. He was an Art Director and Illustrator for the majority of his career. In 1946 Datu did the art direction for the movie 'Red River.' It is known that he worked in the film industry up until the 1970's. He was also an accomplished illustrator and produced many fine works. John Datu died December 12, 1985 in Orange County California.

The buckle was appraised at the Hotel del Coronado by Laura Woolley's in season 23, Episode 7 of the show in 2019.

Appraisal: 1946 John Datu Arensma "Red River" Belt Buckle | Season 23 Episode 7 | Antiques Roadshow | WHYY

It looks like the buckle needs to be shined up a bit!

THE RAIN VALLEY RANCH

Have you ever wondered what happened to the location where the 1948 Howard Hawks’ film ‘Red River’ was filmed?

Location shooting for the Howard Hawk’s film ‘Red River’ began early in September 1946 at the vast Rain Valley Ranch near Elgin, Arizona, and production ended in December 1946 after more than 70 shooting days.

Unfortunately, The Rain Valley Ranch lived up to its name during shooting. Bad weather added extra production days that drove up the film’s cost.

In the film the San Pedro River stood in for the Red River. Several dams had to be built across portions of the San Pedro River so it would rise to the appropriate level for shooting.

The Ranch Valley Ranch straddles the Santa Cruz-Cochise county line off State Route 82. It is a historic working cattle ranch and is also a priority conservation area for nearby U.S. Army Fort Huachuca. The Arizona Land and Water Trust has been a trusted partner to ranchers and farmers of Southern Arizona for 40 years. The Trust achieves its mission to protect land and water by working with private landowners who are interested in voluntarily conserving their lands. The Trust also works with public entities to develop local and community conservation plans and goals, and often serves as a bridge between public entities and private landowners.

In partnership with the Arizona Land and Water Trust, Fort Huachuca has a program, which seeks to limit development around military installations that may inhibit the use of existing Department Of Defense facilities for training, testing, and operations. The program prohibits mining, the generation of certain electromagnetic frequencies, and most construction, the easement does not interfere with ongoing cattle operations for the Rain Valley Ranch and other nearby ranches in this trust. The property, will be free of most development “forever and in perpetuity,” as per the terms of the easement.

Fort Huachuca is home to the Army’s only unmanned aircraft systems (UAV/UAS) training center, which trains Army and Marine UAS operators and repairers/maintainers for the Shadow, Hunter, Warrior A and the Gray Eagle, the Army’s newest UAS platform. The training center supports over 20 programs of instruction, operating 24 hours a day on three shifts, and flies over 5,000 hours a year.

UAV facilities at Fort Huachuca are not only integral for national defense. They help make Arizona a hub for development and testing of unmanned aerial vehicles and systems.

Ranchers have grown used to the sound of drones flying over their spreads. Cows actually don’t mind the drones, though people sometimes complain about the noise. With the protection from the Arizona Land and Water Trust the Rain Valley Ranch and surrounding ranches offer protection to white-tailed deer, pronghorn, javelina, coatimundi, black bear, and other mammals as well as numerous birds, lizards, and other creatures lurking in the grasslands of the ranches.

Link: http://alwt.org/rain-valley-ranch/
Link: http://alwt.org/trust-protects…alley-ranch-near-sonoita/

I found out some information right here on DUKEWAYNE.COM of all places!

From a July 13th, 2003 post on a thread I found a list of films of John Wayne wearing the Red River D buckle.

“Robbie” the member that posted it was thought that the 1st movie he wore it in was "Island In The Sky" from 1953. I looked through several photos from the film but John Wayne was wearing a coat in all of them and it was not possible to know if he was wearing the buckle.

Recently while looking for John Wayne photos on Ebay I found this listing, “THE TRAIN ROBBERS JOHN WAYNE 8X10 PHOTO.” When you look close at the Ebay photo the buckle is reversed imaged. The seller informed me that the scan was reversed but the actual photo would be correct.

Here is a list of eleven films. I put a “?” after the films ‘Island In The Sky’ and ‘The Trainrobbers’ for now.

1953 “Island In The Sky” [?]
1959 “Rio Bravo”
1961 “The Comancheros”
1962 “Hatari!”
1963 “McLintock!”
1964 “Circus World”
1965 “The Sons Of Katie Elder”
1966 “El Dorado”
1967 “The War Wagon”
1970 “Rio Lobo”
1973 “Trainrobbers” [?]

I understand from reading articles that John Wayne wore the Red River D buckle in nine of his films beginning with 'Rio Bravo' in 1959.

I never have seen a list of all all of the films though.

Can someone please enlighten me with a complete list of these films from one thru nine?

Here is a unique "Red River" key-chain that I’ve seen for sale only in one place.

There is a seller on Ebay with locations of Conroe and Montgomery, Texas that lists these key-chains made in 2-tone style for $17.88 plus $3.25 shipping or made with a pewter finish for $13.88 plus $3.00 shipping. Occasionally I have seen them listed as made with a copper finish. They also sell a John Wayne lapel/hat pin for $9.88 plus $2.95 shipping.

The Seller also sells some of the common designs of the Red River D buckle in various metals and finishes.

Since the seller doesn’t have an actual website, only a seller ID, I’ll leave it to you to search and find out where to get them. Like I said, this is the only place I have seen these particular items for sale.

Folks, that’s all I can provide for now on places to get a replica of the famous Red River D belt buckle. I’ve scanned the World Wide Web and checked my notes for sources. If anyone else knows any other place the buckles can be found I sure would like to know.

No, I'm not a collector at all Mark. It indeed would be very expensive to collect them all, especially when acquiring the one's made by The Bohlin Company.

All I have is two. A solid brass one that I purchased from Ebay a few months ago and a custom handmade one by Gary Mathis from Gary's Custom Saddlery & Silver that I recently received.

I have another solid brass buckle of the one that John Wayne wore in 'True Grit' and 'Rooster Cogburn.' He also wore it in the first part of 'Rio Lobo' when he was a Union Officer in the Civil War.

I understand that John Wayne commissioned it. It was fashioned from a Civil War original and converted it from a two piece to a one piece buckle and put a modern back on it so it could be worn on a normal pant belt. I would welcome more information about this particular buckle if anyone knows something about it.

I got a tip from one of the ranch hands at the Red River D that there is a unique company in Cashmere, Washington located on a road named ‘Deadman Hills Road’ of all places that sell all kinds of interesting old west products.

At Western & Wildlife Wonders, the proprietors Don & Connie Holman, for decades have been hand-making authentic custom gun grips, real leather holsters, and much more. They handle all kinds of old west gear, including spurs, ponchos, badges, jewelry, riatas, lariats, whips, non-firing vintage revolvers and rifles, and they are constantly coming up with new quality Western products and memorabilia to sell.

The Red River D buckle that they offer is the 1948 film release version made of polished solid bronze or silver bronze. The buckle size is 2 5/8” X 3 1/2". It is sold at a very economical price of $30.

Link: https://westernandwildlifewond…western-icon-belt-buckle/

They also offer a combo deal with the buckle and your choice of a black or brown belt for $55.

Link: https://westernandwildlifewond…n-bucklebelt-combination/

What other kind of other combo offer would you really need? One with jeans, boots and a hat too?

Folks, look, you really don’t have to spend a fortune for a handsome looking buckle to allow you entry into the old Red River D Ranch. There Are very economical options to dress up your old jeans by wearing a Red River D buckle.

Parsley's Brass in Hanover, Virginia has specialized in high quality reproductions of Civil War belt buckles for over forty years. All items are sand cast in high quality brass. The pattern is formed from an original piece and the reproduction is an exact copy of it. If the original had some wear or small infraction it will be reflected in the reproduction. Each piece is individually hand worked and finished in the traditional way of the 1800’s. Parsley has grown to include making items for many other organizations. When a museum or an antique collector needs a replacement part for a piece of furniture or something Parsley's can make it for them.

Parsley's Brass offer a brass reproduction of the 1948 version of the Red River D buckle. It is only $24.95. That is certainly a very economical price where almost anyone could afford to own one. Heck, your jeans probably cost more than that!

Link: http://parsleysbrass.com/modern/index.html

So, let’s mosey in through the Red River D Ranch gate and join the party. There are plenty of Texas Longhorn steaks on the grill, Nadine Groot style beans in the pot, Chuck Wagon sugar cookies, Chisholm Trail coffee, along some fine Legendary Duke Wayne Spirits behind the bar. I also heard rumors there may be a few bottles of vintage Sauza Conmemorativo Añejo tequila hidden under the bar. Let’s sit around the warm bonfire and sing along to “Settle Down Little Doggies.”

Gary Mathis of Gary's Custom Saddlery & Silver Buckles is a master craftsman that makes heirloom quality custom solid silver and/or gold belt buckles, quality hand-made custom belts, completely custom western saddles, custom turquoise and other leather products related to the western and horse industry. With over 40 years in the industry, he strives to build nothing but the finest product with the finest proven materials available. He does all his artistic work from the garage of his Fullerton, California home. Most of his motifs/figures are copyrighted custom original designs.

According to the article ‘The Red River D Belt Buckle Mystery’ at http://www.redriverdbeltbuckle.com/several years ago Gary Mathis worked with Michael Wayne, John Wayne’s oldest son, and Chris Hearn on copies of the Red River D belt buckle from photographs of John Wayne’s original buckle to recreate the closest reproduction of the buckle possible. And they certainly succeeded!

Folks, I have to say this is the real deal! It’s the closest reproduction to the original you will currently find anywhere. After reading the article I had Gary make me one. It is beautiful! A work of art indeed. I will proudly wear it as my way to remember John Wayne as my favorite movie star while growing up in the 60’s and 70’s. Great work Gary!

Link: http://www.garyscustomsaddlery…dles_JohnWaynebuckles.htm

I never met Gary. I have, however, read a few things about him in a 2014 Orange County Register article written by Anders Howmann; https://www.ocregister.com/201…sman-carves-cowboy-flair/. There are several photos of him working in his shop. The article says he is a “self-proclaimed cowboy." I must say he definitely looks like a genuine cowboy with his handlebar mustache and Western style shirt!

The buckle is so beautiful and shiny my pictures do not do it justice!