Posts from ethanedwards in thread „Duke's Filmography- Past Discussion (Archive)“

Hi Jim.
I also note, it doesn't include the BOB HOPE film,
CANCEL MY RESERVATION
Ok, only a cameo part for Duke,
but nevertheless, a full length movie, that he appears in!!

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Originally posted by arthurarnell@Jan 30 2006, 07:16 AM
Hi

In his book Fred also doesn't list Cancel My Reservation either. For what reason I don't know

Regards

Arthur

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Hi
I agree, this should be included,
but I don't agree with switching TV shows To the Filmography.
I think they should be, kept separate, otherwise, it will all get confusing.
To be factual, a Filmography, should only include Full feature Movies,
which were made for theatre release.
TV films, should be separated and treated as such.
Our Filmography, only lists, theatre releases.
How can Duke presenting a Dick Powell film,
be included in a John Wayne Filmography!!

Hi Vera,
I think you will find, when Filmograpies show a figure of 200+
they are probably, incuding some TV and Documentaries!
What Chester, and fellow members are doing here,
is to only list Films which were released through
cinemas, as including TV stuff just clouds the whole issue!
When we have finished,after discussion and agreement, you will find
our list, which will more than likely run under the 200 figure,
be the most definitive, and concise, filmography
ever done, about John Wayne.
I for one will, use it as my master list.

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi Mr and Mrs C
I have to agree with your YIKES!!
about a TVography!!
which is well documented in the John Wayne Reference Book.
I find the listings very interesting, but not as relevant as
the film listings.
We has avid fans,can always hope, that 'lost' films will turn up,and we can add to our prized collections.
In the case of TV shows, this is not the case!!
TV shows were rarely recorded, and so will unfortunately never be seen.
It is for that reason, I think a TVography, i
has limited appeal.

Hi Arthur and Les,
It was so interesting to hear your comments about
THE VOICE OF HOLLYWOOD and THE HOLLYWOOD HANDICAP.
perhaps you may be interested in the following, further information:-

THE VOICE OF HOLLYWOOD.
John Wayne, played the the radio announcer of the station 'S-T-A-R'
and introduced various movie stars within the series background.
There is a bit of by-play, concerning some stolen jewels, that adds interest to the continuity.
Credits:
SECOND SERIES, #13.
Production Company: Tiffany
Director: Mack D'Agostino
Duration:- 12 Minutes
Released:- January 17, 1932

John Wayne, George Bancroft, El Brendel,
Jackie Cooper, GARY Cooper,
Lupe Velez,Farina,Eddie Quillan,
Thelma Todd, Jack Dempsey, Estelle Taylor.

Those movie stars, who could sing, dance, tell jokes would do so!
Hosts included,
LLOYD 'HAM' HAMILTON

The friendly announcer, in this particular one John Wayne,
would encourage viewers to suggest which movie stars, they would like to see in future episodes!
In Hollywood eyes, this series was inept.
Featuring has beens, at the time, not in our eyes, though,
it was awkwardly staged,underehearsed(if at all),
and everyone concerned, were totally
disinterested, in what was going on!!

THE HOLLYWOOD HANDICAP.

John Wayne, was a guest in this two-reeler, which was part of a comedy series.
Other guest included, Anita Stewart, Bert Wheeler, Dickie Moore,
and Tully Marshall.
As mentioned earlier,
the production company was indeed
The Thalians Club and Brian Foy.
Distributed by: Universal,Directed by: Charles Lamont.
Released:- August 10, 1932

The Thalian comedies, were sponsored by the Hollywood-based acting club, the group Duke had joined, while he was at Fox.

Hi Mr and Mrs Chester,

The filmography is shaping up great,
I hope you got my reply comments
about HAM HAMILTONS comedies,
and also one that, Arthur and I have mentioned
THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI,
If films like BARDELYS and ANNIE LAURIE can be included
without so far, any documented confirmation,
then the above, from what I posted before,
should warrant, these being included!

Hi ,
I have not included any TV productions whatsoever,
no WAGON TRAIN, THE LUCY SHOW,
only films made for the big screen,
otherwise we will be including
Glen Campbell, Dean Martin shows,
Rowan and Martin,etc etc.
That why I although I have copies of
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR, and WAGON TRAIN placed
in chronological order in my library,
I have not included them in my list.

Hi,

HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
two reel comedies from the '20's'

A couple of references, point out that Duke,was a lot busier
with his propping and 'extras' work, then the scant listings of his earlier films suggest.

Tim Lilley, wrote this article in the Big Trail,
and pointed out the following:-

THE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE
by Ricci/Zmijewsky.1970
for years the standard reference work on John Wayne,
made this interesting statement:-

'Wayne continued working in the prop department(Fox)
and now and then as a stuntman. He also began to get bit parts in Ham Hamilton comedies and Ford films such as HANGMAN'S HOUSE, SALUTE and MEN WITHOUT WOMEN'

This was vindicated by Lee O Miller, the author
of the 1979 book, THE GREAT COWBOY STARS OF MOVIES AND TELEVISION.
Lee O Miller, had the good fortune to interview Duke, and Duke told him:-

'I finally got bit parts in a few other films. Ham Hamilton was the director of those films.
He was a friend of Ford's and the latter asked Hamilton to give me a chance at acting, if he had any bit parts, to cast me in!

Duke also recalled other films he was associated with
BROWN OF HARVARD, NOAH'S ARK.

Although there is no visible proof,that Duke was in these films,
neither is there, for some of the films, we've already listed!!
To include some and not others, may spoil the full 'picture'

Keith

Hi Mr and Mrs Chester,
I tell you, it is really hard and tiring work,
posting a list of that magnitude,
and you have my best wishes,
in trying to edit it.
It might be easier to transfer my list across, and work from there,
it will at least save you having to key in the studios!
I have included a few 'ifs' in there,
but, I have got some factual back up
to substantiate, their inclusion
should you require it,

Keith

Hi Mr and Mrs Chester,
I hope you noticed on the list that I posted,
I did indeed list the production studios,
it may save you some time,

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi Everyone,
The list, can be whatever is decided,
I have no personal choice how it is printed,
whether, production or release!
It can be films, visibly seen, and credited,or not,
although, I must say, how do any of us, know, how many films
he was in, all be it,in a small way?
That's why biographers, list all the possibilities!
After the early films, production and release, more or less
are the same anyway, with the notable exceptions, of Red River,
Jet Pilot and probably The Conqueror!
However, I like to watch Dukes films, and see him
mature as we go along, so I must say it would be odd,
to watch Jet Pilot, after The Searchers,
and find Duke is ten years younger!!

Best Wishes,
Keith.

Hi everyone,
I have now completed that list.
As to whether it runs in production,
or release order, is up to debate,
personally, it doesn't bother me.
It takes hours and hours, to post a list of this magnitude,
and it's now up to you guys to post, your versions,
should you wish!

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi Chester,
Yes exactly,
but as you can appreciate,
none of it can be an exact science!!

Keith

Hi Jim,
It always been debatable as to to include films,
which he may, or not, have been in.
My personal view, is that the ones where he is
visibly seen or credited, should be listed.
However Jim,as you can see it is really
hard and tedious work, posting
the definitive list.
Most biographers, also mention these'other' films,
so I thought I would too,
Many people apparently have spent many
hours trying to spot Duke,
however I would think in most of the ones
I listed, he is just a prop man!!

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi,
OK, here's some, to get on with,
the early ones, which Duke may or not have been in,
very difficult to pin the year, but it's fun
to include them, even if for curiosity!!

PRODUCTION ORDER

1926. BROWN OF HARVARD - (MGM)
1926. BARDELEYS THE MAGNIFICENT- (MGM)
1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)
1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1929. SALUTE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National))
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. THE BIG TRAIL- (Fox) First time credited as John Wayne.
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)
1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT- (Fox)
1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox)
1931. MEN ARE LIKE THAT- (Columbia)
1931. MAKER OF MEN- (Columbia)
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)
1931. RANGE FEUD- (Columbia)
1932. TEXAS CYCLONE- (Columbia)
1932. THAT'S MY BOY- (Columbia)
1932. TWO FISTED LAW- (Columbia)
1932. THE SHADOW OF THE EAGLE- (Mascot)
1932. THE HURRICANE EXPRESS- (Mascot)
1932. THE THREE MUSKETEERS- (Mascot)
1932. LADY AND GENT.- (Paramount)
1932. HIS PRIVATE SECRETARY.- (Showmans Pictures)
1932. HAUNTED GOLD.- (WB)
1932. RIDE HIM COWBOY- (WB)
1932. THE BIG STAMPEDE- (WB)
1933. THE TELEGRAPH TRAIL- (WB)
1933. CENTRAL AIRPORT- (WB)
1933. SOMEWHERE IN SONORA- (WB)
1933. THE LIFE OF JIMMY DOLAN- (WB)
1933. BABY FACE- (WB)
1933. THE MAN FROM MONTERY- (WB)
1933. COLLEGE COACH- (WB)
1933. RIDERS OF DESTINY- (Lone Star/Monogram)
1933. SAGEBRUSH TRAIL- (LS/M)
1933. WEST OF THE DIVIDE- (LS/M)
1934.-LUCKY TEXAN- (LS/M)
1934. BLUE STEEL-(LS/M)
1934. THE MAN FROM UTAH- (LS/M)
1934. RANDY RIDES ALONE- (LS/M)
1934. THE STAR PACKER- (LS/M)
1934. THE TRAIL BEYOND- (LS/M)
1934. 'NEATH ARIZONA SKIES-- (LS/M)
1934.-LAWLESS FRONTIER- (LS/M)
1935. TEXAS TERROR- (LS/M)
1935. RAINBOW VALLEY- (LS/M)
1935. THE DESERT TRAIL- (LS/M)
1935. THE DAWN RIDER- (LS/M)
1935. PARADISE CANYON- (LS/M)
1935. WESTWOOD HO!- (Republic) First of new almalgamated company.
1935. NEW FRONTIER- (Republic)
1935. LAWLESS RANGE- (Republic)
1936. THE LAWLESS NINETIES- (Republic)
1936. KING OF THE PECOS- (Republic)
1936. THE OREGON TRAIL- (Republic)
1936. WINDS OF THE WASTELAND- (Republic)
1936. THE LONELY TRAIL- (Republic)
1936. THE SEA SPOILERS- (Universal)
1936. CONFLICT- (Universal)
1937. CALIFORNIA STRAIGHT AHEAD- (Universal)
1937 I COVER THE WAR- (Universal)
1937. IDOL OF THE CROWDS- (Universal)
1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal)
1937. BORN TO THE WEST(Helltown)- (Paramount)
1938. PALS OF THE SADDLE- (Republic)
1938. OVERLAND STAGE RAIDERS- (Republic)
1938. SANTA FE STAMPEDE- (Republic)
1938. RED RIVER RANGE- (Republic)
1939. THE NIGHT RIDERS- (Republic)
1939. THREE TEXAS STEERS- (Republic)
1939. WYOMING OUTLAW- (Republic)
1939. NEW FRONTIER- (Republic)
1939. STAGECOACH- (Walter Wagner/United Artists)
1939. ALLEGHENY UPRISING- (RKO)
1940. THE DARK COMMAND- (Republic)
1940. THREE FACES WEST- (Republic)
1940. THE LONG VOYAGE HOME- (Walter Wagner/United Artists)
1940. SEVEN SINNERS- (Universal)
1941. THE SHEPHERD OF THE HILLS- (Paramount)
1941. A MAN BETRAYED- (Republic)
1941. LADY FROM LOUISIANNA- (Republic)
1941. LADY FOR A NIGHT- (Republic)
1942. REAP THE WILD WIND- (Paramount)
1942. THE SPOILERS- (Universal)
1942. IN OLD CALIFORNIA- (Republic)
1942. FLYING TIGERS- (Republic)
1942. REUNION IN FRANCE- (MGM)
1942. PITTSBURGH- (Universal)
1943. A LADY TAKES A CHANCE- (RKO)
1943. IN OLD OKLAHOMA(War of the Wildcats)- (Republic)
1944. THE FIGHTING SEEBEES- (Republic)
1944. TALL IN THE SADDLE- (RKO)
1945. FLAME OF THE BARBARY COAST- (Republic)
1945. BACK TO BATAAN- (RKO)
1945. DAKOTA- (Republic)
1945. THEY WERE EXPENDABLE- (MGM)
1946. WITHOUT RESERVATIONS- (RKO)
1947. ANGEL AND THE BADMAN- (Republic)
1947. RED RIVER- (Montery/United Artists)
1947. TYCOON- (RKO)
1948. FORT APACHE- (RKO)
1948. THE 3 GODFATHERS- (Argosy/MGM)
1949. WAKE OF THE RED WITCH- (Republic)
1949. SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON- (Argosy/RKO)
1949. THE FIGHTING KENTUCKIAN- (Republic)
1949. SANDS OF IWO JIMA- (Republic)
1950. JET PILOT-(Howard Hughes/RKO/Universal)
1950. RIO GRANDE- (Argosy/Republic)
1951. OPERATION PACIFIC- (WB)
1951. FLYING LEATHERNECKS- (RKO)
1952. THE QUIET MAN- (Argosy/Republic)
1952. BIG JIM McLAIN- (Wayne-Fellows/WB)
1953. TROUBLE ALONG THE WAY- (WB)
1953. ISLAND IN THE SKY- (Wayne-Fellows/WB)
1953. HONDO- (Wayne-Fellows/WB)
1954. THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY- (Wayne-Fellows/WB)
1954. THE CONQUEROR- (RKO)
1955. THE SEA CHASE- (WB)
1955. BLOOD ALLEY- (Batjac/WB)
1956. THE SEARCHERS- (C V Whitney Pictures/WB)
1957. THE WINGS OF EAGLES- (MGM)
1957. I MARRIED A WOMAN- (Universal for RKO)
1957. LEGEND OF THE LOST- (Batjac/Robert Haggiag/Dear Films/UA)
1958. THE BARBARIAN & THE GEISHA- (20th. Century Fox)
1959. RIO BRAVO- (Armada/WB)
1959. THE HORSE SOLDIERS- (Mahin-Rackin/Mirisch/UA)
1960. THE ALAMO- (Batjac/UA)
1960. NORTH TO ALASKA- (20th. Century Fox)
1961. THE COMMANCHEROS- (20th. Century Fox)
1962. THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE- (John Ford Productions/Paramount)
1962. THE LONGEST DAY- (20th. Century Fox)
1962. HOW THE WEST WAS WON- (MGM/CINERAMA))
1962. HATARI!- (Malabar/Paramount)
1963. DONOVANS REEF- (John Ford Procuctions/Paramount)
1963. McLINTOCK- (Batjac/UA)
1964. THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD- (George Stevens Productions/UA)
1964. THE MAGNIFICENT SHOWMAN(Circus World)- (Bronston-Midway/Paramount)
1965. IN HARMS WAY- (Sigma/Paramount)
1965. THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER- (Hal Wallis Productions/Paramount)
1966. CAST A GIANT SHADOW- (Mirisch-Lenroc-Batjac/UA)
1967. ELDORADO- (Lauen/Paramount)
1967. THE WAR WAGON- (Marvin-Schwartz/Batjac/Universal)
1968. THE GREEN BERETS- (Batjac/WB/Seven Arts)
1968. THE HELLFIGHTERS- (Universal)
1969. TRUE GRIT- (Hal Wallis Productions/Paramount)
1969. CHISUM- (Batjac/WB)
1969. THE UNDEFEATED- (20th.Century Fox)
1970. RIO LOBO- (Malabar/Cinema Centre/20th.Century Fox)
1971. BIG JAKE- (Batjac-National General for Cinema Centre)
1971. THE COWBOYS- (Stanford/WB)
1972. CANCEL MY RESERVATION- (Naho/WB)
1973. THE TRAIN ROBBERS- (Batjac/WB)
1973. CAHILL, UNITED SATES MARSHALL- (Batjac/WB)
1974. McQ- (Batjac/Levy-Gardner/WB)
1975. BRANNIGAN- (Wellborn/UA)
1975. ROOSTER COGBURN AD THE LADY- (Hal Wallis Productions/Universal)
1976. THE SHOOTIST- (Dino De Laurentiis/Parmount)


So there you are folks,
that was a big job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi everyone,
Mike,
just to answer your question, there is not
an official list, of production dates.
My list is a sum of all the parts.
One can read between the lines in the biographies,
and place what Dukes film schedule,was,at a given time.

Arthur,
Strangely enough, I was going to mention,
Red River,as an example, this morning!
In most filmographys, Red River, is listed after
Tycoon and Fort Apache, but as you said.
it was made before!!

Chester,
I had the same problem, with sleep time catching up,
it was 3:30 am, when I was making those postings,
we must all, be mad!!!
I take your point about Fred's book and the section analysis,
however, as I mentioned to Mike, there are no
exact production dates!
I do have, on my list, all the studios, which
makes it more sensible, when you see that those
early studio releases are mostly grouped together.
In those early days, unlike Dukes later years, he was very rarely 'loaned' out.
So the films, conveniently block, themselves together.
I think listing the films by years, is adequate enough, as long as they, possibly, can be, in a sensible viewing,chronological order.

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi Mike,
I realised, when reading the various biographies,
that Duke would say, after such and such a film, he
was preparing for his next one.
When I cross referenced this against release dates, it didn't tie in.
So it was obvious release dates, were set for the advantage of the film studio.
This would explain, why after the success of Stagecoach, they rushed out the release of another four Mesquiteers films, even though we believe, they were made before.
Other films were delayed in release,so as not to clash with so called blockbusters of the day!!
All sorts of reasons, skewed, the release dates, away from when the films were produced.

Hi Popul and Chester,
I do have a list, which is an extension of my early film list,
on the 'What are we going to do now thread'
What I did, was to start with THE COMPLETE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE,
and then cross reference it with about ten other books,
shuffling it around, several times until, they all cross checked.
Things like, where Duke was at the time,
and his preparations for his next film etc, who ,was he contracted to,
all this factors, came into it.
From Stagecoach onwards, it was a bit easier, but even so, Jet Pilot, throws up an anomaly, because of how long it took Howard Hughes, to release it!!However, I considered it should be listed, when he made it.
The more I listed and re-listed the films, it seemed, logical to
put them all in production order, so that when you watched them, it all made more sense.
For example, four Three Mesquiteers films were released
after Stagecoach, where as most biographers seem to think, because of contractual obligations, the whole lot were made pre-Stagecoach, but when you watch them,it makes more sense to see them all together, because, Duke is slightly more mature in Stagecoach, so to watch the Three Mesquiteers after it ,seems odd!
Like you Popul, it has taken many hours to get the list together, and I am constantly fine tuning it, with any snippet of information, that becomes available.
Listing the definitive filmography, is no easy task!!

Hi Chester,
First of all thanks for doing that.
I posted my list on the 'What are we going to do now' thread.
Is it possible to drag my list across to this one.
It is similar to popul vuh's list,
but includes about four extra films,
that Arthur and I mentioned.
My list ,only concerns itself with, pre-BIG TRAIL.
However, although Populs list is concise,and many thanks for his work,
his running order is not in sequence of release dates and production order.
eg. He shows,some of the Lone Star films, before Duke had finished
his 6 film WB contract.
Some of the Universal releases are mixed up with others, when in fact, he made, them under contract all at the same time.
If one checked which studios, Duke was signed to at the time, most of the films in the early listings, would be significantly shuffled around.
Jet Pilot, was in fact produced in between Sands of Iwo Jima, and Rio Grande,
and to place it by it's release date would be misleading, as it was held up for years.
To watch it after The Searchers, would show a much younger Duke!!
Rooster Cogburn,not Brannigan,was Dukes penultimate film etc etc
Cancel My Reservation, needs to be included.
I feel there is much work to be done,
but clearly we can't all keep printing massive lists!!
The book THE COMPLETE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE,
as by far the best filmography, showing all the exact release dates,
and I feel that, if these were adhered too, with the exception of Jet Pilot,
popluls list, would be significantly different!
It would probably be more accurate to print the books list,
and for us to add comments to that, at least it
is in release order.
Best wishes,
Keith