Posts from ejgreen77 in thread „Duke's Filmography- Past Discussion (Archive)“

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Originally posted by ejgreen77@Aug 3 2005, 10:18 PM
Now, as for Desert Command, I said that this film should be removed from Duke's filmography, and have made several (in my mind) good, solid arguments as to why. What I have not received from anyone is just why this film should have been included in the first place. Sure, IMdB lists it, but as I said in my previous post, IMdB lists several fake films. It is a good and worthwhile source, but should not be accepted without question as the ultimate authority on these matters.

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Just to update everyone, IMDb has just updated their site, and removed Desert Command from JW's filmography (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/). They are, however, now including his appearences on "Rookie of the Year," "Wagon Train," "Flashing Spikes," and "The Dick Powell Show."

E.J.

WOAH, THERE STUMPY!!!

I'm afraid my (admittedly) weird sense of humor may have thrown you off a little. Just for the record, my comment was intended as a bit of lighthearted sarcasm, and I'm sorry if it was misunderstood. I was just saying that you are ultimately right, and that it's something that (in the grand scheme of life) is probably pretty silly. But, I do enjoy films and film history, it is a particular hobby, pleasure, and pastime of mine. So, I carry on conversations like this one simply because I enjoy it.

And as far as making Duke out to be some sort of a god, as you say, he’d be the first to reject such an idea. And I would be second. One of the things that I like about Duke was that he was most definitely NOT a god. Both on and off screen, he made mistakes and wasn't afraid to admit to making them.

Now, as for Desert Command, I said that this film should be removed from Duke's filmography, and have made several (in my mind) good, solid arguments as to why. What I have not received from anyone is just why this film should have been included in the first place. Sure, IMdB lists it, but as I said in my previous post, IMdB lists several fake films. It is a good and worthwhile source, but should not be accepted without question as the ultimate authority on these matters.

As for television, I have tried to compile a list of the Duke's TV show appearances. This is far from my area of expertise, so this list is probably incomplete and/or inaccurate, but here it is:

1. "This Is Your Life" in episode: "William Wellman" 8 December 1954
2. "Gunsmoke" (CBS) in episode: "Matt Gets It" (episode # 1.1) 10 September 1955
3. "I Love Lucy" (CBS) in episode: "Lucy and John Wayne" (episode # 5.2) 10 October 1955
4. "Screen Directors Playhouse" in episode: "Rookie of the Year" (episode # 1.10) 7 December 1955
5. "Climax!" in episode: "The Louella Parsons Story" (episode # 2.23) 8 March 1956
6. "Toast of the Town" (CBS) (archive footage) (episode # 11.14) 29 December 1957
7. "Wide Wide World" in episode: "The Western" 1958
8. "Toast of the Town" (CBS) (archive footage) (episode # 12.40) 21 June 1959
9. "What's My Line?" (CBS) 13 November 1960
10. "Toast of the Town" (CBS) (episode # 14.6) 13 November 1960
11. "The Jack Benny Program" (CBS) in episode: "John Wayne Show" (episode # 11.5) 20 November 1960
12. "Wagon Train" (NBC) (as Michael Morris) in episode: "The Colter Craven Story" (episode # 4.9) 23 November 1960
13. "Cinépanorama" 17 December 1960
14. "Alcoa Premiere" in episode: "Flashing Spikes" (episode # 2.1) 4 October 1962
15. "The Dick Powell Show" in episode: "The Third Side of the Coin" (episode # 2.26) 26 March 1963
16. "Cinépanorama" 26 December 1964
17. "The Dean Martin Show" (NBC) 23 September 1965
18. "The Dean Martin Show" (NBC) 27 October 1966
19. "The Lucy Show" (CBS) in episode: "Lucy and John Wayne" (episode # 5.10) 21 November 1966
20. "The Beverly Hillbillies" (CBS) in episode: "The Indians Are Coming" (episode # 5.20) 1 February 1967
21. "Dateline: Hollywood" 15 May 1967
22. "Dateline: Hollywood" 16 May 1967
23. "Dateline: Hollywood" 17 May 1967
24. "Dateline: Hollywood" 18 May 1967
25. "Dateline: Hollywood" 19 May 1967
26. "The Red Skelton Show" (CBS) in episode: "John Wayne's 40th Anniversary" 1968
27. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.7) 4 March 1968
28. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.8) 11 March 1968
29. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.9) 25 March 1968
30. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.11) 8 April 1968
31. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.12) 15 April 1968
32. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.13) 22 April 1968
33. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 1.14) 29 April 1968
34. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 2.1) 16 September 1968
35. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 2.2) 23 September 1968
36. "The Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour" (episode # 1.4) 19 February 1969
37. "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (NBC) 7 February 1971
38. "V.I.P.-Schaukel" (episode # 1.2) 12 September 1971
39. "The Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour" (episode # 4.1) 14 September 1971
40. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 5.8) 1 November 1971
41. "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (NBC) 14 January 1972
42. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 5.18) 31 January 1972
43. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 5.23) 13 March 1972
44. "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (NBC) 7 June 1972
45. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 6.1) 11 September 1972
46. "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" (NBC) (episode # 6.20) 12 February 1973
47. "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (NBC) 22 March 1973
48. "Maude" (CBS) in episode: "Maude Meets the Duke" (episode # 3.1) 9 September 1974
49. "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" (NBC) 15 October 1975
50. "The Mike Douglas Show" (SYN) 21 September 1976
51. "Biography" (A&E) in episode: "John Wayne: The Unquiet American"
52. "Biography" (A&E) in episode: "John Wayne"

Stumpy,

What!!! You should know that a true film purist like me lives for these things. (Ha Ha!)

Mrs. C,

Hey, just because IMdB lists fake films, that doesn't mean that everybody else should follow them down the wrong path. You already found and deleted two of IMdB's fakes, 10 del Texas, I (1961) and 'Neath Arizona Skies (1962). If you go to the IMdB page on these films, you will see Les has commented on both of them and made a good argument why they should be removed from Duke's filmography. By the way, the book "John Wayne: American" by Randy Roberts and James S. Olson has a filmography list in the back of the book that includes listings of the separate Production and Distribution Companies (good point there, Les Adams). So, if you could get your hands on a copy of that it might help you out.

smokey,

I'd go for the idea of listing Desert Command as a footnote to The Three Musketeers. It's probably the best way to deal with this.

Popol Vuh,

You raise a whole new question: TV show appearances. Flashing Spikes was episode # 2.1 of the TV show "Alcoa Premiere" while Rookie of the Year was episode # 1.10 of the TV show "Screen Directors Playhouse." Duke made 52 total guest appearances on TV shows, most notably on "I Love Lucy," "Gunsmoke," "Wagon Train," "The Dean Martin Show," and "The Beverly Hillbillies." Most filmography lists do not list TV guest appearances. IMdB has them listed separately at the bottom of the page. I believe this is the best way to do this.

smokey,

I can appreciate your comment. I myself would rather see a condensed version of these serials with all the flashback sequences edited out (yes I have actually sat through all three of them). The problem is that I still don't think any amount of editing this warrants it being listed as a separate film. I mean, no new footage was added. Let's put it this way, I have a version of The Shadow of the Eagle that was produced in 2003. It has all the flashback sequences edited out and runs for 186 minutes as compared to the 218 minutes of the original. So, should this version be listed as a separate film produced in 2003? Of course not. Neither should DESERT COMMAND. As Les Adams says, I don't want someone 50 years from now to look at the list and think that Duke made a 1946 remake of his 1933 hit, The Three Musketeers. By the way, although I have never seen it, DESERT COMMAND only runs 70 minutes as compared to 210 minutes for The Three Musketeers. So I'd assume that a lot more was cut then just the opening plot summary. But, as I said, I don't think any amount of editing a film warrants it being listed as a separate film. But, that's just my opinion.

Chester,

I saw the changes you made to the list. However, I still think DESERT COMMAND should be deleted completely from the Duke's filmography.

The list in the closed thread lists a 1946 "film" called DESERT COMMAND. This "film" is nothing more then a cut-down version of the earlier 1933 serial THE THREE MUSKETEERS. I think another poster in another thread mentioned this also.