How The West Was Won (1962)

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    • How The West Was Won (1962)



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      Information from IMDb

      Plot Summary
      The history of Western expansion in the United States as told by the story of one pioneer family's history. Zebulon Prescott takes his family from New York, heading West in the early 1800s. His children and grandchildren eventually reach the Western shore after years of hardship, war, and struggle.
      Summary written by Jim Beaver

      The fifty years of American westward expansion between the 1830s and 1880s are viewed through the experiences of the Prescott and Rawlings families, as they migrate by the Erie Canal, continue over the prairies from St. Louis during the California gold rush, suffer through the Civil War, and finally help build the railroads on the plains and bring law and justice to the frontier. Along the way they meet mountain men, journey by wagon train, deal with Native Americans, and face outlaws in the southwest.
      Summary written by scgary66

      Directed by
      John Ford (segment "The Civil War")
      Henry Hathaway (segments "The Rivers", "The Plains" and "The Outlaws")
      George Marshall (segment "The Railroad")
      Richard Thorpe (uncredited) (transitional historical sequences)

      Full Cast
      Carroll Baker .... Eve Prescott Rawlings
      Lee J. Cobb .... Marshal Lou Ramsey
      Henry Fonda .... Jethro Stuart
      Carolyn Jones .... Julie Rawlings
      Karl Malden .... Zebulon Prescott
      Gregory Peck .... Cleve Van Valen
      George Peppard .... Zeb Rawlings
      Robert Preston .... Roger Morgan
      Debbie Reynolds .... Lilith 'Lily' Prescott
      James Stewart .... Linus Rawlings
      Eli Wallach .... Charlie Gant
      John Wayne .... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
      Richard Widmark .... Mike King
      Brigid Bazlen .... Dora Hawkins
      Walter Brennan .... Col. Jeb Hawkins
      David Brian .... Lilith's attorney
      Andy Devine .... Cpl. Peterson
      Raymond Massey .... Abraham Lincoln
      Agnes Moorehead .... Rebecca Prescott
      Harry Morgan .... Gen. Ulysses S. Grant (as Henry 'Harry' Morgan)
      Thelma Ritter .... Agatha Clegg
      Mickey Shaughnessy .... Deputy Stover
      Russ Tamblyn .... Confederate deserter
      Spencer Tracy .... Narrator (voice)
      Rodolfo Acosta .... Gant gang member (uncredited)
      Mark Allen .... Colin Harvey (uncredited)
      Beulah Archuletta .... Indian woman (uncredited)
      Robert Banas .... Dance Hall Dancer (uncredited)
      Willis Bouchey .... Surgeon (uncredited)
      Charlie Briggs .... Flying Arrow Barker (uncredited)
      Paul Bryar .... Auctioneer's assistant (uncredited)
      Walter Burke .... Wagon poker player (uncredited)
      Polly Burson .... Stock player (uncredited)
      Kim Charney .... Sam Prescott (uncredited)
      Ken Curtis .... Cpl. Ben (uncredited)
      John Damler .... Lawyer (uncredited)
      Christopher Dark .... Poker player with Cleve (uncredited)
      Kem Dibbs .... Blacksmith (uncredited)
      Craig Duncan .... James Marshall (uncredited)
      Ben Black Elk Sr. .... Arapajo chief (uncredited)
      Jay C. Flippen .... Huggins (uncredited)
      Sol Gorss .... River pirate (uncredited)
      Tom Greenway .... (uncredited)
      James Griffith .... Poker player with Cleve (uncredited)
      Barry Harvey .... Angus Harvey (uncredited)
      William Henry .... Staff officer (uncredited)
      Jerry Holmes .... Railroad clerk (uncredited)
      Roy Jenson .... Henchman (uncredited)
      Claude Johnson .... Jeremiah Rawlings (uncredited)
      Jack Lambert .... Gant henchman (uncredited)
      John Larch .... Grimes (uncredited)
      Stanley Livingston .... Prescott Rawlings (uncredited)
      J. Edward McKinley .... Auctioneer (uncredited)
      Harry Monty .... (uncredited)
      Bob Morgan .... Member of train robbery gang (uncredited)
      Boyd 'Red' Morgan .... (uncredited)
      Robert Nash .... Lawyer (uncredited)
      Cliff Osmond .... Bartender (uncredited)
      Tudor Owen .... Parson Alec Harvey (uncredited)
      Harvey Parry .... Henchman (uncredited)
      Jack Pennick .... Cpl. Murphy (uncredited)
      Gil Perkins .... Henchman (uncredited)
      Red Perkins .... Union soldier (uncredited)
      Buddy Red Bow .... Native Man (uncredited)
      Walter Reed .... (uncredited)
      Chuck Roberson .... Officer (uncredited)
      Victor Romito .... Henchman (uncredited)
      Jamie Ross .... Bruce Harvey (uncredited)
      Gene Roth .... Riverboat poker player (uncredited)
      Bryan Russell .... Zeke Prescott (uncredited)
      Danny Sands .... Trapeze man (uncredited)
      Joe Sawyer .... Riverboat officer (uncredited)
      Jeffrey Sayre .... Auction spectator (uncredited)
      Harry Dean Stanton .... Gant henchman (uncredited)
      Clinton Sundberg .... Hylan Seabury (uncredited)
      Karl Swenson .... Train conductor (uncredited)
      Ken Terrell .... River pirate (uncredited)
      Lee Van Cleef .... River pirate (uncredited)
      William Wellman Jr. .... Officer #2 (uncredited)
      Harry Wilson .... Cattleman at barricade (uncredited)
      Carleton Young .... Poker player with Cleve (uncredited)

      Writing Credits
      John Gay uncredited
      James R. Webb

      William H. Daniels
      Milton R. Krasner
      Charles Lang
      Joseph LaShelle

      Original Music
      Ken Darby (associate)
      Alfred Newman (also title song) (song title uncredited)

      May Boss .... stunts (uncredited)
      Polly Burson .... stunts (uncredited)
      Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
      John Epper .... stunts (uncredited)
      Richard Farnsworth .... stunts (uncredited)
      Sol Gorss .... stunts (uncredited)
      Fred Graham .... stunts (uncredited)
      Johnny Hagner .... stunts (uncredited)
      Donna Hall .... stunt double: Debbie Reynolds (uncredited)
      Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
      Charles Horvath .... stunts (uncredited)
      Loren Janes .... stunt double: Debbie Reynolds (uncredited)
      Loren Janes .... stunts (uncredited)
      Roy Jenson .... stunts (uncredited)
      Leroy Johnson .... stunts (uncredited)
      Eddie Juaregui .... stunts (uncredited)
      Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
      Ted Mapes .... stunts (uncredited)
      Troy Melton .... stunts (uncredited)
      Louise Montana .... stunts (uncredited)
      Bob Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
      Boyd 'Red' Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
      Hal Needham .... stunts (uncredited)
      Harvey Parry .... stunts (uncredited)
      Gil Perkins .... stunts (uncredited)
      Carl Pitti .... stunts (uncredited)
      Rusty Richards .... stunts (uncredited)
      Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
      Victor Romito .... stunts (uncredited)
      Ronnie Rondell Jr. .... stunts (uncredited)
      Danny Sands .... stunts (uncredited)
      Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
      Richard Talmadge .... stunt coordinator (uncredited)
      Bob Terhune .... stunts (uncredited)
      Ken Terrell .... stunts (uncredited)
      Autry Ward .... stunts (uncredited)
      Troy Ward .... stunts (uncredited)
      Jack Williams .... stunts (uncredited)
      Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)
      Jack Young .... stunts (uncredited)
      Joe Yrigoyen .... stunts (uncredited)

      Other crew
      Sammy Cahn .... lyricist: "Home in the Meadow" (song title uncredited)
      Ken Darby .... lyricist: title song
      Robert Emmett Dolan .... music adaptor: "Home in the Meadow"
      Robert Emmett Dolan .... music coordinator: "Home in the Meadow"
      Dave Guard .... singer: "The Erie Canal"

      Some stock footage from other (non-Cinerama) epics were used. The Mexican army marching past the Alamo came from The Alamo (1960) and a Civil War battle was taken from Raintree County (1957). The final scenes of the modern U.S. were from This Is Cinerama (1952).

      No ordinary "single-camera" version was filmed simultaneously with the Cinerama version, resulting in two noticeable dividing lines on the non-Cinerama theater prints, video, TV and DVD versions (indicating the three synchronized film strips originally used). The same problem occurred with the other Cinerama film in release at the time, The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm (1962), which had not been shot in a "single-camera" version either. Both were MGM films.

      Since the three lenses of the Cinerama camera sat at angles to each other on the camera itself, it was very problematic for actors to film a scene as they would in front of a single-lensed camera. When their images were projected onto the three panels of the Cinerama screen, it would appear as though the actors were looking either slightly up-screen or slightly down-screen, and not directly at their fellow actors. This is very evident in a few scenes in the previous Cinerama film, The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm (1962). However, by the time this film went into production, this problem was solved somewhat. In order to compensate for the lens angles, actors would have to look one-third of the way in and toward the camera, and pretend that they were looking at their fellow actors. Hence, when their images were projected onto the Cinerama screen, it would appear as though they were looking at each other. It was a very difficult process for actors, which is one of the reasons that three-panel Cinerama was abandoned for narrative films after this film was released.

      During the Indian attack that was filmed in Lone Pine, California, a Conestoga Wagon tumbles down a hill. In order to create the illusion of the audience being inside of a tumbling wagon, a track was built down the slope of a small hill and the top portion of a Conestoga Wagon, without the wheels, was affixed onto a flatbed along with a mechanism that would turn the wagon over and over as the flatbed was guided down the hill. The Cinerama camera, in turn, was attached to one end of the flatbed so that it could shoot directly through the turning wagon as the stuntmen, including Loren Janes, were tumbled around the insides of the wagon along with boxes, barrels, blankets and other cargo. It took more than two days to prepare the scene and several takes to complete. In the final cut, this scene lasts no more than five seconds on the screen.

      The first non-documentary Cinerama film, it was also one of the last to use the old three-camera technique, resulting in two very visible, somewhat distracting, dividing lines in the non-Cinerama print and all TV and home video versions.

      Hope Lange was cast as a love interest for George Peppard's character, but her scenes were cut from the final print of the film. She portrayed young Julie Stuart, the daughter of Henry Fonda's character, Jethro Stuart. After Lang's scenes were deleted from the film, Julie was later portrayed by Carolyn Jones.

      Stuntman Bob Morgan was seriously injured, and almost died, while performing a stunt in this picture. Toward the end of the film, there is a gunfight on a moving train between the sheriff and a gang of train robbers. Morgan was one of the stuntmen playing a robber and was crouched next to a pile of logs on a flatcar. The chains holding the logs together snapped, and Morgan was crushed by the falling logs. He was so badly hurt it took him five years to recover to the point where he was able to move by himself and walk unaided.

      Due to the detail that would have been shown via the Cinerama process, the costumes had to be sewn by hand, rather than with a sewing machine, as they would have been during the time periods depicted in the movie.

      Debbie Reynolds and George Peppard are the only cast members who appear in three of the five sequences in the film. According to Ms. Reynolds, in an interview for the documentary Cinerama Adventure (2002), her character of Lilith was originally supposed to have drowned in the river. However, it was decided that Lilith would best tie the generations of Prescotts together, so, she remained in the story to become an elderly lady in the film's conclusion.

      One of the few American films to have its world premiere in London, England.

      Because the 2 dividing lines that separate the 3 separate projections could not be totally edited into a seamless match, the directors skillfully used camouflage techniques to disguise the lines. Some of the objects used for this were trees, lamp posts, window edges, porch rails, building corners, doorways and wooden crates which were positioned at these points.

      This was one of only two films made in true Cinerama which were shown in regular theatres after their first runs. None of the previous Cinerama films were ever shown in regular theatres because they were travelogues and documentaries made only to show off the process, as opposed to telling a story, and it would have been pointless to show these in a "regular" format.
      Link this trivia
      The train station in the film at "Gold City" was shot at Perkinsville, Arizona, and is still standing, although in a state of disrepair. It is now the mid stopping point of the Verde Canyon Scenic Railroad. The train station, the town sign and several other smaller buildings still exist.

      A comic book version of this film was published in conjunction with the film's release, as was the practice back then with all family and children's films. In the comic book, when Sheriff Ramsay (Lee J. Cobb) tries to prevent Zeb Rawlings (George Peppard) from going after the outlaw Gant (Eli Wallach), Rawlings whacks Ramsay over the head with his rifle and knocks him unconscious, which explains the bandage on Ramsay's forehead in the next scene. No such explanation is offered in the film; it is as if somebody had edited something out.

      Features more than 12,000 extras, including several Indian tribes.

      Gary Cooper had been offered the role of Linus Rawlings, but died before filming began. James Stewart then accepted the part despite feeling miscast.

      Russ Tamblyn and Bryan Russell also appear on the other 1962 Cinerama film The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm (1962).

      James Stewart offered to play his own dead body in the Civil War story but was refused by John Ford who instead used a double who bore no resemblance to Stewart. When George Peppard imitates Stewart's voice during the grizzly bear reminiscence story he was reprimanded by Ford but yelled back that he wanted the audience to remember that Stewart played his father.

      Spencer Tracy was only able to narrate the film rather than play a part due to his health problems.

      John Wayne had intended to play a character in the part directed by Henry Hathaway, but John Ford insisted he appear in the Civil War sequence.

      As part of their collaboration with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Cinerama agreed to modify their system by reducing the frame rate to 24 frames per second (the industry standard) so that this film would have an exhibition life after its Cinerama engagements.

      Although James Stewart's character was only supposed to be 28 in the movie, Stewart was actually nearly 54 at the time of filming.

      John Wayne shot the key cameo of Gen.Sherman in five days.

      Of the five segments, Henry Hathaway directed "The Rivers", "The Plains" and "The Outlaws", John Ford directed "The Civil War" and George Marshall did "The Railroad". Some uncredited work was done by Richard Thorpe.

      Raymond Massey made a career out of portraying Abraham Lincoln, having played it on stage, on TV ("The Day Lincoln Was Shot") and on film (Spirit of the People (1940)). This film marks the final time he played the President.

      John Ford complained that the sheer breadth of the Cinerama cameras meant that he had to dress his sets to a much wider degree than usual.

      This would later inspire an ABC TV series of the same name that ran for a total of 11 episodes in 1979.

      The top grossing film of 1962.

      Among the stars who were approached to take part in the film but did not were Marlon Brando, Kirk Douglas, Doris Day, Cary Grant, Audrey Hepburn, James Cagney, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Burt Lancaster, 'Shirley Maclaine' and Kim Novak.

      The opening pan across the Rockies is actually an out-take from This Is Cinerama (1952). The same holds true for the closing aerial sweep.

      Spencer Tracy provides the narration. Bing Crosby was originally slated to provide this.

      A lot of the actors were very intimidated by the 3 lens Cinerama camera and felt they had to elevate their performance to something approaching the way one performs on the theatrical stage as opposed to the more subtle style of acting normally required in front of a camera. This is why a lot of the actors in the film come across as being quite over-the-top.

      Debbie Reynolds and Carroll Baker became very good friends whilst making the film.

      Henry Hathaway was famous for his salty language. Debbie Reynolds instigated a swear jar on the set in an effort to curb him of his excesses - every time he swore, she would have to put some coins into the jar. Reynolds ended up losing quite a bit of money.

      The river-rafting sequence was filmed over a period of seven days.

      Cinerama was so expansive, it couldn't really be configured for close-ups. The nearest it could manage was to place a key actor in the central frame and try to get in as close as possible. This proved to be very intimidating for a lot of actors as the camera (an enormous piece of apparatus under a black hood with 3 lenses) would be literally in their face - 18 inches away, to be precise.

      The sequence where the Indians attack the wagon train took 6 weeks to film.

      The riverboat is the same one used in Raintree County (1957).

      An intermission was required to allow the projectionists enough time to re-thread the three projectors and synchronize the sound.

      All four cinematographers were Oscar-winners.

      John Ford's habit was to always sit beside the camera while it was filming so he could watch the action intently. Unfortunately because of the triple lens on the Cinerama camera, he kept appearing in shot until director of photography Joseph LaShelle hit on the idea of building a rig that allowed Ford to sit above the camera.

      The film stock was so expensive that all the actors were asked to know their lines and their marks as thoroughly as possible to cut down on the number of takes.

      The film was inspired by a factual series on the settling of the West of the same name that had appeared in LIFE magazine and which had been followed by a identically titled 2-LP set of western songs sung mostly by Bing Crosby and Rosemary Clooney. Many of the songs on the record album were also used in the film soundtrack, like "Bound for the Promised Land" and "What Was Your Name in the States?"

      * Plot holes: There is no explanation of why Sheriff Ramsey is fine in one scene and wearing a bandage on his forehead in the next, immediately following. (there was a deleted or unfilmed scene where Zeb knocked Ramsey out when the Sheriff tried to stop him from going after the train robbers).

      * Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): While she is refusing Morgan's proposal, Lilith's shoulder strap is on/off her shoulder between shots.

      * Revealing mistakes: Tire tracks in the scene where the Indians attack the wagon train.

      * Continuity: Linus Rawlings ('Jimmy Stewart') is depicted as having gray hair. The body of the man they identify as Linus Rawlings to the Civil War surgeon has red hair.

      * Continuity: When Roger Morgan is testing a new whip, he has it in his left hand and then it magically appears in his right hand.

      * Factual errors: When the wagon train on its way to California is attacked by Indians, it is in a mountainous area, yet the Indians are identified as Cheyenne. The Cheyenne tribe was a Great Plains tribe, and would not have been that far west.

      * Plot holes: When Linus meets the Prescott family he says he is going up stream to sell is beaver pelts. The Prescott family is going down stream. The pirates are down stream from the Prescott camp. Linus should have passed the pirates when he came upstream. He couldn't happen upon the pirates when he left the Prescott camp.

      * Revealing mistakes: The scene in which Linus Rawlings (James Stewart) arrives to the Prescott camp it is supposedly at night. However, the illumination and environment shows as if it was daylight.

      * Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): (At 53:31) The sign for the California wagon train lists Roger Ward as wagonmaster, but the wagonmaster, played by Robert Preston, is actually named Roger Morgan.

      Memorable Quotes

      Filming Locations
      Alabama Hills, Lone Pine, California, USA
      (attack by Indians)
      Badlands National Park, Interior, South Dakota, USA
      Battery Rock, Shawnee National Forest, Illinois, USA
      Bent's Old Fort National Monument - 35110 Highway 194 East, La Junta, Colorado, USA
      Bishop, California, USA
      Black Hills, South Dakota, USA
      Canyon de Chelly National Monument, Chinle, Arizona, USA
      Cave-In-Rock State Park - 1 New State Park Road, Cave-In-Rock, Illinois, USA
      Cedar Mountain, Utah, USA
      Corriganville, Ray Corrigan Ranch, Simi Valley, California, USA
      Cumberland River, Kentucky, USA
      Custer State Park - 13329 U.S. Highway 16A, Custer, South Dakota, USA
      Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad, Durango, Colorado, USA
      Duck Creek Village, Duck Creek, Kanab, Utah, USA
      Eugene, Oregon, USA
      Grants Pass, Oregon, USA
      High Sierra Mountains, California, USA
      Inyo National Forest - 351 Pacu Lane, Bishop, California, USA
      Lone Pine Campground, Lone Pine, California, USA
      Montrose, Colorado, USA
      Monument Valley, Utah, USA
      Oatman, Arizona, USA
      Ohio River, Kentucky, USA
      Paducah, Kentucky, USA
      Perkinsville, Arizona, USA
      Pinnacles National Monument, Soledad, California, USA
      Rapid City, South Dakota, USA
      Rocky Mountains, Colorado, USA
      San Francisco, California, USA
      Scotia, California, USA
      Silverton, Colorado, USA
      Simi, California, USA
      Superior, Arizona, USA
      Tonto National Forest - 2324 East McDowell Road, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
      Tucson, Arizona, USA
      Uncompahgre National Forest - 2250 Highway 50, Delta, Colorado, USA
      Verde River railroad bridge, Perkinsville, Arizona, USA
      Whitney Portal Road, Lone Pine Creek Canyon, Lone Pine, California, USA

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      Previous discussion:-
      How The West Was Won
      Best Wishes
      London- England

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    • How the West Was Won is a 1962 American epic-Western film.
      The picture was one of the last "old-fashioned" epic films made by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
      to enjoy great success.
      Set between 1839 and 1889, it follows four generations of a family (starting as the Prescotts)
      as they move ever westward, from western New York state to the Pacific Ocean.
      The picture was filmed in the curved-screen three-projector Cinerama process.

      The fundamental idea behind the film was to provide an episodic retelling
      of the progress of westward migration and development of America.
      It was inspired by a much longer and more complex series of historical narratives
      that appeared as a photo essay series, by the same name,
      three years earlier in Life magazine, which is acknowledged in the film’s credits.

      The all-star cast includes (in alphabetical order) Carroll Baker, Walter Brennan,
      Lee J. Cobb, Andy Devine, Henry Fonda, Carolyn Jones, Karl Malden, Harry Morgan,
      Gregory Peck, George Peppard, Robert Preston, Debbie Reynolds, James Stewart,
      Eli Wallach, John Wayne
      , and Richard Widmark.
      The film is narrated by Spencer Tracy.

      The movie consists of five segments, three directed by Henry Hathaway ("The Rivers", "The Plains" and "The Outlaws"),
      and one each by John Ford ("The Civil War") and
      George Marshall ("The Railroad"), with transitional sequences by the uncredited Richard Thorpe.
      The screenplay was written by John Gay (uncredited) and James R. Webb.
      Popular western author Louis L'Amour wrote a novelization of the screenplay.

      In 1997, How the West Was Won was selected for preservation
      in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress
      as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".
      The score was listed at #25 on AFI's 100 Years of Film Scores.

      How the West Was Won, was an expensive, sprawling epic,
      using 3 different directors.
      It was a hugely successful film, and when it was first released, it remained at cinemas,
      not for just a week, but for months and in some cases a couple of years.
      The CINERAMA process, thrilling audiences of all ages.
      I saw it on the big screen, several times!!

      Duke accepted a cameo in this film as a courtesy to John Ford,
      and his involvement, was impersonating Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman.
      He worked for 6 days, and his screen time is about three and a half minutes.
      His role is little more than support, in a scene centered around actor George Peppard.

      A brilliant film, with sadly too little of Duke,

      User Review
      More quantity than quality, but a truly all-star cast
      10 April 1999 | by Brian W. Fairbanks ( (United States)

      Watching a letterboxed version of "How the West Was Won," I noticed the dividing lines on the screen, and it was clear that much of the picture was still missing even in this format. But neither hindered my enjoyment of this sprawling epic, even if James R. Webb's Oscar winning screenplay left something to be desired. Alfred Newman's music score is terrific, and so is that all-star cast. Unlike those disaster flicks of the 70s like "The Poseidon Adventure" and "The Towering Inferno" that claimed to be stuffed with stars but actually boasted "names" (usually familiar performers, primarily from TV, who rarely headlined a first class feature), "How the West Was Won" has the genuine article. John Wayne, James Stewart, Gregory Peck, Richard Widmark, Henry Fonda, George Peppard, Robert Preston, Carroll Baker, and Debbie Reynolds may mean little at the ticket windows of the 90s (and many of them are dead, anyway), but all were above the title stars who carried their own films at the box-office in the early 60s.

      Three directors helmed this project but I'd be hard pressed to distinguish whether John Ford, George Marshall or Henry Hathaway were behind the camera during any particular episode if the opening credits didn't identify each segment and its director. I suppose "How the West Was Won" is more quantity than quality, but it's entertaining overall.
      Best Wishes
      London- England

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    • Concerning stuntman Bob Morgans injuries, if anyone wants to see what the results are, just watch the documentary about the making of The Alamo on the The Alamo DVD or the VHS Directors Cut. He appears on screen talking about the movie and his face is horribly disfigured. Those stunt guys are brave fellows indeed.

      One part of the movie I wished they'd have done differently is during the Civil War part. When in that cabin they bring in the body of Linus Rawlings to be treated and the doctor says he's dead, then right outside is his son Jeb, who knows nothing about it. I wish they had done it so Jeb found out right then, just by hearing that one soldier say to the doctor, "but, this is Linus Rawlings". Just would have liked to see him in a final moment with his father. I also read the book and it tied up a few loose ends. Like the fact that one of Jeb Rawlings uncles had become an outlaw. I don't remember if they touched on that in the movie but, in the book, Fondas character meets up with Jebs uncle and gang and they end up in a confrontation but, not after they both found their mutual connection.
    • John Ford aside I wish Duke had been given the role of the Sheriff at the end of the movie who has to confront Eli Wallachs gang durring the train shootout (which was quite poorly directed).

      This movie could have been made without Duke and he adds nothing to it which is unfortunate from that perspective.

      However overall this is an excellent movie very innovative and well done.

    • Duke's Movie Locations

      Filming Locations

      Badlands National Park, Interior, South Dakota, USA

      Battery Rock, Shawnee National Forest, Illinois, USA

      Bent's Old Fort National Monument - 35110 Highway 194 East, La Junta, Colorado, USA

      Black Hills, South Dakota, USA

      Cave-In-Rock State Park - 1 New State Park Road, Cave-In-Rock, Illinois, USA

      Corriganville, Ray Corrigan Ranch, Simi Valley, California, USA

      Custer State Park - U.S. Highway 16A, Custer, South Dakota, USA

      Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad, Durango, Colorado, USA

      Inyo National Forest, California, USA

      Lone Pine, California, USA

      Monument Valley, Utah, USA

      Oatman, Arizona, USA

      Paducah, Kentucky, USA

      Superior, Arizona, USA

      Tonto National Forest, Arizona, USA

      Tucson, Arizona, USA

      Uncompaghre National Forest, Colorado, USA

      Verde River railroad bridge, Perkinsville, Arizona, USA
      Best Wishes
      London- England
    • Hi WaynamoJim,

      Besides this film
      I am sure other Duke movies,
      were shot around, this area,
      Custer State Park,
      particularly,The Badlands,
      and The Black Hills, and as soon
      as I come across them, I will post them.
      Many scenes from this movie were shot here,
      though it's very un-likely, they featured Duke.
      His very short segment, looked like studio takes anyway!
      As far as
      Bent's Old Fort
      and it looks a great place,
      so far, I have not come across
      any Duke movie filmed there.

      However, my research is an ongoing project,
      so I will let you know, if and when
      I come across anything
      Best Wishes
      London- England
    • Re: How The West Was Won (1962)

      ethanedwards wrote:


      * No ordinary "single-camera" version was filmed simultaneously with the Cinerama version, resulting in two noticeable dividing lines on the non-Cinerama theater prints, video, TV, and DVD versions (indicating the three synchronized film strips originally used).

      * The first non-documentary Cinerama film, it was also one of the last to use the old three-camera technique, resulting in two very visible, somewhat distracting, dividing lines in the non-Cinerama print and all TV and home video versions.

      * Stuntman Bob Morgan was seriously injured, and almost died, while performing a stunt in this picture. Toward the end of the film, there is a gunfight on a moving train between the sheriff and a gang of train robbers. Morgan was one of the stuntmen playing a robber and was crouched next to a pile of logs on a flatcar. The chains holding the logs together snapped, and Morgan was crushed by the falling logs. He was so badly hurt it took him five years to recover to the point where he was able to move by himself and walk unaided.


      * Plot holes: When the Prescotts first see Linus Rawings, he's heading "upstream" and they are heading "downstream" so how do both end up at the Jeb Hawkin's place on the river (the Pirate's trading post)? This is never explained.

      We watched this film tonight, a first for both the Mrs. and our number three son. It is a VHS copy, and we noticed the lines, but just assumed it was due to the age of the tape. Then we came on here and read that the lines are due to the Cinerama process.

      That train ride and gunfight near the end, where the chains snap on the logs, is a real nail-biter, and now we read that one of the stuntmen was seriously injured in that scene.

      Finally, we were all actually commenting on that little "goof" where the family was apparently headed in the opposite direction from Linus Rawlings, yet they both end up in the same place, so it's nice to know we were right up there "noticing" things.

      It was an enjoyable epic film, with an all star cast, and while John Wayne's presence didn't add that much, it was a pleasant bonus to hear his voice in the midst of the whole story.

      Debbie Reynolds did a great job (as usual) with her ability to inspire people with song, from the beginning to the very end of the movie.

      On the whole, I do think the movie could have been done better. It seemed like there might have been too many cooks in the kitchen.

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      I went up to London to see the film as a part of a day trip. I must admit the three screen process was off putting but the film remains to this day one of my favourites and thanks to Colorado Bob supplying me with a two disc sound track of the music which I play continually , the film will remain on of my favourites.

      Incidentally How the West Was Won was not the first film to be shot in a three screen process. One of the first was in the 1920 when Abel Gance made Napoleon a four hour epic silent. This film was lost until painstakinglytracked down and put together and shown in the 1970 to a new audience of film goers who up to that time were proably unaware that the film ever existed.


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      With regard to Bob Morgan I just had this delivered after buying it on ebay

      Taken on August 7th 1958 the title says


      It goes on to say:-
      'Among the arrivals at London Airport this morning from New York was screen star Yvonne de Carlo and her husband Robert Morgan. Yvonne is making a short stay in London before leaving for Rome for filming in Mary Magdalen'.

      It shows the perils of being a jobbing actor married to a super star.


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      With regard to Bob Morgan and his accident this is direct 'from the horses mouth' so to speak.

      During 1992 editor Tim Lilley contacted Robert Morgan and in a telephone conversation which at time was very animated conducted an interview which he put in his book 'Campfire Conversations'.

      After talking about his early life and start in the movie industry the topic got round to Morgans' accident in 'How The West Was Won'

      You see I didn't get knocked off the train into the wall of the canyon or whatever. I got knocked under the train. It happened after the stunt was done. You'e seen the scene. I was sitting on the leading edge of three runaway cars. I'd been working on those logs with (Chuck) Hayward. All of a sudden, the assistant director made a mistake and said "logs, centre!" and 15,000 pounds of logs hit me in the right shoulder and knocked me off right toward the left rail of the train. I was going to be decapitated. And I said "God damn, what a way to go!" ......but then something told me not to get up and I twisted real fast,......and tried to get my legs under me to get out of there. Then the train hit me. I was in about a twenty degree attitude between the rails. The first thing it did was break my back. All three cars, they were going about twenty five miles an hour, ran over me. When (Chuck) Hayward got to me, the first aid man just threw up his hands and couldn't handle it, Hayward knew enough to pull me through. I can't give him enough credit. Hayward was a hell of a guy!

      Later when asked about the bumps and bruises he had collected over his career over his career Morgan said:
      Well the biggest was, of course, 'How The West Was Won'. I still suffer from that. I've had ten eye operations the last three years on the right eye. Old Hayward he was very funny about that. he said, "Bob, you only complained about one thing. That was the sand in your eye. That wasn't sand. I had to tie the eyeball in with gauze." He took me into hospital.....You should talk to him sometimes.

      (From CAMPFIRE CONVERSATIONS pp 55-64).

      Two years later Tim Lilley eventually tracked Chuck Hayward down but nothing was ever printed about his part in saving Morgans life.

      During 1995 when researching for 'Campfires Glow' Tim Lilley interviewed Walter Reed during the interview Reed mentioned going to see Morgan after the accident:-
      I was visiting my father in Prescott when he (Morgan) got in that terrible accident. I went down to Phoenix to see him. I wasn't a real good friend of Bob's but I liked him. Boy I'll tell you he had his leg off and the eye sewn shut. I went into the room where the guy was working on him and he had a hole in his back that must have been three inches wide and three inches deep and it was just horrible. And they were working on the other leg. I didn't think he would walk on the other leg. When I got out of the room, the doctor said, "You know Bob Morgan wouldn't be alive if he wern't such a great athlete. He was in absolutely perfect shape". And I think that's true. As an athlete he was the finest stuntman I ever saw.....

      From CAMPFIRES GLOW pg 101


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      Some of the cast highlighted

      John Wayne

      Karl Malden

      Debbie Reynolds
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      Heres some more:-

      David Brian

      Lee J. Cobb:

      Richard Widmark:

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      I don't understand why I'm doubling up all of the time but I will get it sorted.

      Here's three more (or should that be 3x2 :ohmy: )

      Thelma Ritter

      Walter Brennen

      Mickey Shaugnessy


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