Posts by BatjacAuburn

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No ""MY"" side has not told people to shut up etc. Look at some of your liberal news stations and EVERYTHING they say is EXACTLY the opposite of what the ""other side"" has to say. That's infuriating and ESPECIALLY WHEN THE FACTS ARE CLEARLY PRESENTED to the liberals and other democrats--they STILL refuse to see reality--such as your current president. Mind baffling aint it?????

You got me wrong and im not saying YOU in particular are anything--just like I dont like to be pointed out as somehting I am not. Get to know me and you will KNOW how I am. Im just sick and tired of leftist liberals blaming EVERY stinking thing on what the Repubs do or do not do instead of sucking up some of the blame for failed things THEY created--such as in the last FOUR LONG years. When this term ends for OLDD-it will be EIGHT solid years that he will be blaming EVERYTHING on George Bush--childish aint it?

I will NOT--support any director or any actor--who makes loads of money making movies that are a knock on MY Country. I have that right and I will exercise that right. Like ive said a hundred times before--I THANK GOD--that there are thousands of other movies made that I can enjoy and if i never watch a new made movie?? that bothers me not. I also detest most modern TV shows as well. No need to have cussing in them, no need for toilet humor, and no need to show needless gore.

By the way: "my side" totally believes in the Constitution--as it was originally written and signed off by fellows like: John Hancock and others. We don't need any revisions on our Constitution like liberals want.

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I was responding to Paula....I'm basically on your side in this but I'm out of this now. Done

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I'm moving this over from the Books thread.

Re: Duke's Books- Discussion
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It is one thing to support the enemy (a la Jane Fonda) but it is another thing entirely to exercise one's Constitutional freedom of expression to openly oppose a war even while it's being waged. Are we all just supposed to shut up and go along with what the government is doing even if one is adamantly against it? What about veterans who have fought in various wars and then come back and oppose them publicly even while they're still going on? Anyway, this probably belongs in the Politics thread by now so if anyone wants to continue this conversation, let's move it over there.

Oh, this is getting silly. I never said that anyone's speech (including Ringo's) wasn't protected -- although let's be clear, our Constitution protects our speech from government interference; the moderators of this board have every right to forbid certain topics, or delete posts, or require us to keep politics to the Politics thread, which is why I am posting here in the Politics thread rather than the Books one.

I fail to see why addressing charges that Martin Scorsese is "anti-American" is so awful or taking it out there or whatever. I did not say anything uncivil at all. But I DO disagree with the statement that Martin Scorsese is anti-American, because he *gasp* protested the Vietnam War (like millions of other Americans who knew AT THE TIME, not just in hindsight, that it was a bad war) or associated with people like the Dixie Chicks -- who exercised their Constitutional freedom of speech too, the same way other people exercised their freedom of speech by disagreeing with them and boycotting their concerts and records. Nor does the fact that Scorsese's films sometimes explore/critique the darker sides of American society mean he is anti-American.

So far I remain unconvinced that Martin Scorsese has ever done or said anything that would make him anti-American. Critiquing America and protesting a war does not make you anti-American. To be honest, I don't even like this term "anti-American" which is very either/or and doesn't allow for complexity. There are a lot of things I don't like about America, but that doesn't change the fact that I love America.

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Your opinion, you won't change it because that's the side you've chosen. But your side has told a majority of the American people to "shut up and color" when it comes to a health care bill that most don't want. One thing that the left never quite understands, your exercise of your freedom of speech doesn't trump my right to think and say you are tearing down the country that provided you that right...and to boycott...or booo... or not watch your movies. Of course then you will say I'm a neocon automaton.

Go back and look at my original post on this. I said then that I was more foregiving. Scale is tipping the other way. No gonna buy that BluRay of Goodfellas now.

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It is one thing to support the enemy (a la Jane Fonda) but it is another thing entirely to exercise one's Constitutional freedom of expression to openly oppose a war even while it's being waged. Are we all just supposed to shut up and go along with what the government is doing even if one is adamantly against it? What about veterans who have fought in various wars and then come back and oppose them publicly even while they're still going on? Anyway, this probably belongs in the Politics thread by now so if anyone wants to continue this conversation, let's move it over there.

Changed my mind about getting into this conversation. I answered your question in a civil manner as to why Scorses could be considered anti-American and you want to take it all the way out there. Ringo's statement is also protected free speech.

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Not to answer for Ringo but Scorsese made a few anti-war films/documentaries durring the Vietnam era and was a very vocal in his opposition to the war as was much of Hollywood. While we can all look back and say Vietnam was a mistake, being vocal and public in your opposition while American men and women were in harm's way rubbed a great many people the wrong way. Call it Jane Fonda Syndrome. I have never seen THE BIG SHAVE or STREET SCENES and don't have time to find out how Scorsese caveated his anti-war rhetoric. However, if he was part of the crowd demonizing the men and women who served their country; to me, and I'm sure to Ringo, that was anti-American. You aren't seeing Soldiers demonized in our current war. I suspect the anti-"anti-American" backlash from the Vietnam era may have something to do with that....but that's just a guess.

I guess I am somewhat more forgiving than Ringo about some of these things. The 60s and early 70s were a time of incredible emotions and change across this country. I'm not sure many of those changes were for the better but they are what they are. Many still hold grudges. I will not find fault with those that do but I am more willing to let time heal wounds

Did a little more research on Scorsese and found that he also aligned himself with the Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Dixie Chicks "let's use our celebrity to stop the war and talk bad about George Bush coalition" in 2003 -2004. Scorsese appeared on British television/radio as part of this organized push in 2003.

Also found that he was part of the "Marxist Revolutionary Movement" (not my term) in the late 60s early 70s on top of being anti-Vietnam war.

It's all protected free speech, part of what makes this country great. But he has given those who disagree with his politics plenty of ammunition to call him "anti-American". Which is also protected free speech and in this case far more understandable than the same being said about Kevin Costner a few months ago.


I foresee these posts being moved to the politics board in 3, 2, 1....

[quote='Gorch','http://dukewayne.com/bb/index.php?thread/&postID=122085#post122085']Surprised that no one commented on the cast and crew call sheets for "The Searchers". We have the entire crew confirmed, including the stunt players, and Duke's office telephone number in case anyone would like to venture a call.
Figured Hawkswill would at least try to get a ouija board and contact Ward Bond.
Can't win 'em all.

Something I found funny in the list. When all the stuntmen are listed the left column says "Stunt Double" and the right column has the name, except Bad Chuck Roberson who is listed as both the part and the player. I'm reading THE FALL GUY now and somehow it seems appropriate that he's listed as both.

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What exactly makes Scorsese anti-American? Specific examples or analysis please, not just "he's a liberal" or his movies are "violent."

Not to answer for Ringo but Scorsese made a few anti-war films/documentaries durring the Vietnam era and was a very vocal in his opposition to the war as was much of Hollywood. While we can all look back and say Vietnam was a mistake, being vocal and public in your opposition while American men and women were in harm's way rubbed a great many people the wrong way. Call it Jane Fonda Syndrome. I have never seen THE BIG SHAVE or STREET SCENES and don't have time to find out how Scorsese caveated his anti-war rhetoric. However, if he was part of the crowd demonizing the men and women who served their country; to me, and I'm sure to Ringo, that was anti-American. You aren't seeing Soldiers demonized in our current war. I suspect the anti-"anti-American" backlash from the Vietnam era may have something to do with that....but that's just a guess.

I guess I am somewhat more forgiving than Ringo about some of these things. The 60s and early 70s were a time of incredible emotions and change across this country. I'm not sure many of those changes were for the better but they are what they are. Many still hold grudges. I will not find fault with those that do but I am more willing to let time heal wounds

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Well, suppose Patrick Wayne cannot be counted? Didn't he begin very early....can't remember. KEITH

I believe Pat's first appearance in a Ford film was as a kid in Rio Grande, probably 8 0r 9 at the time. I wouldn't consider him part of the stock company.

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Well, suppose Patrick Wayne cannot be counted? Didn't he begin very early....can't remember. KEITH

I believe Pat's first appearance in a Ford film was as a kid in Rio Grande, probably 8 0r 9 at the time. I wouldn't consider him part of the stock company.

Finally watched my Blu-ray version of THE BIG TRAIL. I was amazed at the difference in quality of video and especially sound of this version over the DVD copy I had. Very enjoyable this time through. Caught Ward Bond in three scenes and actually understood all the dialogue for the first time.

Finally watched my Blu-ray version of THE BIG TRAIL. I was amazed at the difference in quality of video and especially sound of this version over the DVD copy I had. Very enjoyable this time through. Caught Ward Bond in three scenes and actually understood all the dialogue for the first time.

Norman Schwarzkopf was a truely different kind of officer in our Army. Obviously a great combat commander, he also felt he was beyond the regulations he enofced on his formations. Constantly overweight, he routinely discharged others who suffered a similar fate while continuing to have his tailor make him look as good as possible. That was not his only shortcoming that he failed to forgive in others. Gotta love him for what he accomplished but he doesn't shine as brightly as he could do to his failing to meet the standards he enforced on others

New Personal Best of 1105. 2

Durning and Klugman were both greats. I loved Durning in Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. He looked like he was having so much fun doing that part. The last thing I saw him in was an NCIS episode where he played an Iwo Jima Marine veteran who thought he had murdered his best friend during the battle. I remember Klugman for Quincy though all they seem to talk about on TV is teh Odd Couple.

Finally broke four figures. 1st 1000.6 then 1055.2. Still 3rd best I guess

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Many thanks and, Frederich is quite a character too. He also was in the Marines. He likes his nickname (Frederich Santa White Beard. He plays Santa at one of the local Malls so he has the long white beard year round. All I know so far is--he is the recipient of Eight-- Purple Hearts!!!!

Not to take anything away from any hero. I don't mean that at all but this just brought back a funny old story.

I knew a guy, Army Ranger, Master Sergeant Mock. He had 7 or 8 Purple Hearts from Vietnam. His friends called him "PopUp" as in pop up targets on a range. One of his friends was an NCO who worked for me and called his own Purple Heart his "slow badge".

Because I take my shirt off in every movie I make, that's why.

How fast is this hand? This hand is so fast it will be slightly out of focus in the picture.

No Time For Sergeants---from the $5 bin at Walmart

Haven't seen it in years and with Andy's passing thought I would watch it again

Great pictures Gorch. I've watched this movie a million times and love it every time. Sad that Robert Vaughn is the only one left. I'm getting old.

Brooke Shields' mother died. For those of you who remember Pretty Baby and all the controversy around her allowing/pushing Brooke into the part of a pubescent prostitute and the Calvin Kilne ads..... anyway http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20645378,00.html