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    • Duke's Missing And Rare Movies

      DUKE'S MISSING AND RARE MOVIES

      1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM) *** LOC, BFI (Copies are in circulation although poor quality)

      1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox) *** No complete print known to exist (3 reels missing) Available.8 reels in total, LOC have reels 1, 2 & 5. UCLA have reels 2, 5 & 7. (The incomplete restored version has been released to DVD)

      1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox) *** Available

      1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox) *** No print known to exist Considered LOST (There may be a print of this in Australia ref: silentera.com)

      1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox) *** No print known to exist Considered LOST

      1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) *** No print known to exist Considered LOST vitaphone.blogspot.com

      1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National) *** No print known to exist Considered LOST.UCLA have soundtrack only en.wikipedia.org

      1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) *** Available

      1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) *** Preserved copy in UCLA cinema.ucla.edu

      1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- AKA Girl of my dreams UK title (Fox) LOC

      1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT-(Fox) *** Print in UCLA cinema.ucla.edu

      1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox) *** UCLA (University College Los Angeles)[/B] (1 reel missing) cinema.ucla.edu

      1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia) ***LOC

      1932. THAT'S MY BOY (Columbia) ***

      1936. THE OREGON TRAIL- (Republic) ***No print known to exist Considered LOST

      1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal) *** LOC

      BFI (British film institute), LOC (Library of congress), UCLA (University College Los Angeles)


      A LOST film is a feature film or short film that is no longer known to exist in studio archives, private collections or the archive of, for instance, the Library of Congress, where all American films are deposited for copyright reasons.

      Also from Elly's post:-

      1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short ***
      1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short ***UCLA
      1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, the 12 minute short *** LOC
      1940 Screen Snapshots: Cowboy Jubilee 10 minute short ***
      1941 Meet the stars number 8 aka Stars Past and Present 9 minute short (Republic) *** Print in UCLA cinema.ucla.edu
      1947 Friendship Train, features stars during World War II for war effort, including JW *** Available
      1951 Screen Snapshots: Hollywood Awards 10 minute short ***
      1949 Screen Snapshots: Hollywood Rodeo 10 minute short ***
      1950 Screen Snapshots: Hollywood's Famous Feet 10 minute short ***
      1953 Screen Snapshots: Out West in Hollywood 10 minute short ***
      1951 Screen Snapshots: Reno's Silver spur Awards 10 minute short ***
      1958 Screen Snapshots: Salute to Hollywood, with John Wayne, Charlton Heston, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Ralph Staub 10 minute short *** (researchvideo.com)
      1955 Screen Snapshots: The Great Al Jolson 10 minute short ***
      1955 Screen Snapshots: Hollywood Cowboy Stars 10 minute short ***

      Below is a list of movies,
      where [B]Duke could have appeared.[/B]
      Many of them we accept that he did
      and, although often uncredited, he is visibly seen.
      These we have profiled and are highlighted
      I have edited that list:

      Release.Director.Company.Star
      1925.Hooked... Fred Hibbard... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1925.Half a Hero ...Fred Hibbard... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1925.King Cotton... Hugh Fay... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1925.Waiting... Stephen Roberts... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation ... Lloyd Hamilton
      1925.Lightnin'... John... Ford Fox
      1925.Kentucky Pride... John Ford... Fox
      1925.The Fighting Heart... John Ford... Fox
      1925.The Movies... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1925.The Iron Horse... John Ford... Fox
      1925.Thank You... John Ford... Fox
      1925.Framed... Stephen Roberts.... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.The First Year... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1926.Early to Wed... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1926.Lickety Split... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Lige Conley
      1926.Careful Please...Norman Taurog EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.The Road to Glory... Howard Hawks...Fox
      1926.The Dixie Merchant... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1926.Brown of Harvard...Jack Conway... MGM
      1926.Nobody's Business... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.The Rainmaker... Clarence G. Badger... Famous players Lasky Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.Mr. Cinderella... Norman Taurog Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies... Johnny Arthur
      1926.The Shamrock Handicap... John Ford... Fox
      1926.Creeps... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies...Lou Archer
      1926.Here Comes Charlie... Norman Taurog Lloyd Hamilton Corporation...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.Nothing Matters...Norman Taurog ...Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.Move Along... Norman Taurog...Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.Honest Injun...Norman Taurog Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies... Johnny Arthur
      1926.Fig Leaves.... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1926.Three Bad Men... John Ford... Fox
      1926.Jolly Tars... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.The Blue Eagle... John Ford... Fox
      1926.Bardelys the Magnificent...King Vidor... MGM
      1926.Marriage License?... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1926.The Humdinger... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies...Johnny Arthur
      1926.Great K&A Train Robbery... Lewis Seiler... FOX
      1926.Teacher, Teacher... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.Movieland... Norman Taurog... Lupino Lane Comedy Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1926.One Sunday Morning... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Howdy Duke.... Norman Taurog... Lupino Lane Comedy Corporation... Lupino Lane
      1927.Peaceful Oscar... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle ...Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Upstream..( aka footlight glamour)... John Ford... Fox
      1927.Drama Deluxe... Norman Taurog... Lupino Lane Comedy Corporation... Lupino Lane
      1927.The Monkey Talks... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1927.Somebody's Fault...Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.The Draw-Back... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies... Johnny Arthur
      1927.Breezing Along... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Annie Laurie...John S Robertson... MGM
      1927.The Cradle Snatchers... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1927.7th Heaven... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1927.Goose Flesh... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Her Husky Hero... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies Johnny Arthur
      1927.Paid to Love... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1927.His Better Half... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Plumb Dumb... Norman Taurog ...Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Poodles Hanneford
      1927.Up in Arms... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Dorothy Devore
      1927.What Price Glory... Raoul Walsh & John Ford...Fox
      1927.The Drop Kick (aka Glitter)...Millard Webb... First National
      1927.At Ease... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Loves of Carmen... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1927.New Wrinkles... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1927.Kilties... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Dorothy Devore
      1927.The Little Rube... Norman Taurog ...Jack White as Mermaid Comedies ...Dorothy Devore
      1927.Papa's Boy... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Cutie... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Dorothy Devore
      1928.Mother Machree ...John Ford... Fox
      1928.Rose-Marie... Lucien Hubbard ...MGM ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Four Sons...John Ford... Fox
      1928.A Girl in Every Port... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1928.Always a Gentleman... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Between Jobs... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Blazing Away... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Slippery Head... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies ...Johnny Arthur
      1928.Street Angel... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1928.Follow the Leader... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1928.Hangman’s House...John Ford... Fox
      1928.At It Again... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies... Johnny Arthur
      1928.Rah! Rah! Rah!... Norman Taurog... Jack White as Mermaid Comedies... Dorothy Devore
      1928.Fazil... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1928.Blondes Beware... Norman Taurog... Goodwill productions - Tuxedo comedies... Johnny Arthur
      1928.A Home Made Man... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.Listen Children... Norman Taurog... Lloyd Hamilton Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928.The Air Circus... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1928.Me, Gangster... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1928.No Sale Smitty... George Marshall... Van Beuren studios... Lloyd Hamilton
      1928. Napoleon's Barber... John Ford... Fox
      1928.Riley the Cop... John Ford... Fox
      1928.The Red Dance... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1929.The Diplomats... Norman Taurog ...Fox
      1929.In old Arizona... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1929.In Holland... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.Speakeasy...Benjamin Stoloff... Fox
      1929.Strong Boy ...John Ford ...Fox
      1929.Trent's Last Case... Howard Hawks... Fox
      1929.The Medicine Men... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.Black Waters... Marshall Neilan... Herbert Wilcox productions... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Hired and Fired... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.His Big Minute... William Watson EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Knights Out... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.The Black Watch (aka King of theKhyber Rifles)...John Ford... Fox
      1929.All Steamed Up ...Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.Don't Be Nervous... William Watson EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Detectives Wanted... Norman Taurog... Fox
      1929.His Baby Daze... Gilbert Pratt EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Lucky Star... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1929.Salute...John Ford... Fox
      1929.Words and Music...James Tinling... Fox
      1929.They Had to See Paris... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1929.Peaceful Alley... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Tanned Legs... Marshall Neilan... RKO Productions Inc.... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.The Cock-Eyed World... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1929.The River... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1929.Noah’s Ark... Michael Curtiz... Warner bros
      1929.The Forward Pass..Edward F Kline ...First National
      1929.Toot Sweet!... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Grass Skirts... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1929.Hot for Paris... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1929.The Show of Shows... John G. Adolphi... Warner bros.... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Men Without Women ...John Ford... Fox
      1930.The Lone Star Ranger...A F Erikson... Fox
      1930.Camera Shy Gilbert Pratt EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Polished Ivory... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Follow the Swallow... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Born Reckless...John Ford ...Fox
      1930.Good Morning Sheriff... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Cheer up and Smile...Sidney Lanfield... Fox
      1930.Rough Romance...A F Erikson... Fox
      1930.Honk Your Horn... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies...Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.The Dawn Patrol ...Howard Hawks... First National
      1930.Prize Puppies... Alfred J. Goulding EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Song o' My Heart... Frank Borzage ...Fox
      1930.Love Your Neighbor... William Watson EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Up the River ...John Ford ...Fox
      1930.The Big Trail... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1930.Liliom... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1930.Won by a Neck... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1930.Up a Tree... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.Wedding Belles... Sam Newfield Cavalcade film Corporation... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.The Man Who Came Back... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1931.Marriage Rows... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.The Criminal code... Howard Hawks... Columbia
      1931.Girls Demand Excitement. Seymour... Felix Fox
      1931.Are You There?... Hamilton McFadden... Fox... Lloyd Hamilton.
      1931.Doctors' Wives... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1931.Seas Beneath... John Ford... Fox
      1931.Ex-Plumber... Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle EFC - Lloyd Hamilton talking comedies ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.Three Girls Lost ...Sidney Lanfield... Fox
      1931.No Privacy... Harry Edwards... Universal Pictures as Red Star... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.The Spy... Raoul Walsh & Berthold Viertel...Fox
      1931.Women of all nations...Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1931.Hello Napoleon... Harry Edwards ...Universal Pictures as Red Star... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.Howdy Mate... Harry Edwards... Universal Pictures as Red Star... Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.Bad Girl... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1931.Men are like that (aka Arizona)...Frank Tuttl... Paramount
      1931.Young as You Feel... Frank Borzage... Fox
      1931.An Apple a Day... Harry Edwards... Universal Pictures as Red Star ...Lloyd Hamilton
      1931.The Yellow Ticket... Raoul Walsh... Fox
      1931.The Deceiver...Louis King ...Columbia
      1931.Maker of Men (aka Yellow)... Edward Sedgwick... Columbia
      1931.The Range Feud...D Ross Lederman... Columbia
      1931.The Brat... John Ford... Fox

      My special thanks to Elly,for making this list possible,
      and for the considerable amount of time spent on it's compilation

      Last updated:- 14th. April 2012

      Copyright-©dukewayne.com.2012
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England

      The post was edited 26 times, last by ethanedwards ().

    • Hi Ethan
      I know what you mean: you can get blind freeze-framing these old pictures every time there is a crowd and trying to find that familiar face!
      I think we can be sure about "Noah's Arc" since Wayne himself mentioned it in an interview, how he got the job with Andy Devine because they both were good swimmers.
      I can recommend Ford's early film "Four Sons" in which Wayne was a prop man and the famous "snowing" incident happend. At least with this film you can imagine him moving around the furniture between scenes!
    • Hi ethanedwards

      Fred Landesman includes both Strong Boy and Sweet heart of Sigma Ri in his book.

      The former with Wayne working as a prop man.

      In the latter film he includes a picture showing Wayne complete with moustache in the background. TYhis is the only mention I have heard of the picture and certainly the only film still I have ever seen, the photo must be priceless.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Hi Arthur,

      Thanks for verifying those two, perhaps, the sites Filmography can be updated, to include them. You'd probably agree, that's probably, as good as it gets, unless anyone can come up with any, that have been missed!
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • There seems to be, films that have gone forever, or have they?
      Apart from THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY and ISLAND IN THE SKY, two films well covered on this site, where have all the the others gone?

      Pre THE BIG TRAIL days, (Refer to my posting, Before THE BIG TRAIL)We can't be sure of all those, but since then, what has happened to;-

      GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT
      THREE GIRLS LOST
      MEN ARE LIKE THAT
      THE DECEIVER
      THAT'S MY BOY
      LADY AND THE GENT
      CENTRAL AIRPORT
      THE LIFE OF JIMMY DOLAN
      COLLEGE COACH

      THE NEW FRONTIER
      THE OREGON TRAIL
      THE LONELY TRAIL
      ADVENTURES END
      PALS OF THE SADDLE
      RED RIVER RANGE
      THE NIGHT RIDERS
      THREE TEXAS STEERS
      WYOMING OUTLAW

      CANCEL MY RESERVATION

      I can't get these in England, Can you get any of them,DVD/VHS, in the U.S of A.?

      If you can, let me know.
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • ethanedwards,

      We have on VHS these movies in the states:

      Pals of the Saddle
      Three Texas Steers
      Red River Range
      The Lonely Trail
      Cancel My Reservations

      None of these are on DVD.

      Hope this helps.

      Cheers B)


      "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it"
      - John Wayne quote
    • Hi Hondo,

      Thanks so much for replying to my post!
      Wish I could get hold of any of those!

      Most of the rare ones, I've had do to buy, when I've been on holiday
      in the States, or from The John Wayne Film Society, here in England!

      Does this site have a reputable store, that we can obtain these
      DVD/VHS FILMS FROM?
      Best Wishes
      Keith
      London- England
    • Actually there is an add(bygonevideos I think it is) that pops up when you enter the forum for a site that has a few of these movies on VHS. "The Oregon Trail" has been discussed earlier a couple of times, and I think our film experts Arthur and Itdo are of the opinion that this one is lost. TCM in Europe has earlier shown "The Life of Jimmy Dolan" although they have no reference to this movie now. I remember seeing it before I had found a special interest in John Wayne's movies. I was a bit surprised seeing John Wayne suddenly appearing since I had no idea he was in the movie. He played a boxer before a fight.

      Regards
      Popol Vuh
    • Hi

      As the membership grows so does our knowledge and experience.

      For years it has been accepted that the John Wayne version of The Oregon Trail is one of the Dukes "Lost Film's".

      In the last couple of years the John Wayne Appreciation Society has issued some of his 1930s Universal films until only Adventures End is still awaiting issue, and both ITDO and I although not world experts on the topic have come around to the feeling that this too is a lost film.

      In a couple of recent threads it has been suggested that Girls Demand Excitement and Three Girls Lost may also be in this catagory.

      What I thought was with all the people on the board pooling our knowledge perhaps the list of films that are or are not lost can be accurately ascertained and that there can be no doubt as whether a film is in existence or is definately lost.

      In one of his last threads ITDO suggested that many of these old pictures may still be stored in major American Libraries just laying there forgotten. I don't know if he is right or not but it does sound reasonable.

      I would like to hear your thoughts on this by our combined efforts we might discover a lost treasure.

      Regards

      Arthur
      Walk Tall - Talk Low
    • Is there only 3 'lost films'? I would say that with every passing day the chances of these film popping up are get slimmer.

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    • I have no idea where these movies are, or if they exist or not. I have heard that a lot of the old movies have been destroyed due to poor storage conditions and could not be preserved.

      Is it possible that some of those movies could have found their same fate as those that are lost forever? We have for a fact that some of his later films like The High & The Mighty and Island in the Sky were in poor condition and had to be cleaned up before they were released earlier this year, and we had some discussion about The Alamo losing a part of its movie because of not being stored well, and that was done over 40 years ago.

      These movies were "B" movies and were cheaply done. I can only imagine that they were not stored very well and could have been lost. I know film schools may have some of the movies for study in style, but you know that a lot of "B" movies were released back in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc. My question is how many movies that were done cheap lost? I know that might be impossible to tell, but I bet it was hundreds if not thousands are lost.

      We have a way of preserving movies today. Some of today's movies need to be lost. :huh: I'm not sure what they were thinking back then. I quess they didn't have the technology we do today, and they probably didn't have knowledge we have about film preservation.

      As for the lost films. I know that itdo and Arthur know more about this than I do, and maybe they know where these films are today. Or at least know they exist somewhere in the world.

      Cheers B)


      "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it"
      - John Wayne quote
    • Originally posted by falc04@Dec 24 2005, 11:17 AM
      Like Arthur stated, I believe the four lost films are:

      Three Girls Lost
      Girls Demand Excitment
      The Oregon Trail
      Adventure's End

      Baring a miracle, I don't believe we'll ever be able to see these.
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      I believe that Bardeley's the Magnificent is also lost. There may be a few snippets of it in existence, but as a whole it is lost I think, and I not sure about Annie Laurie, but the Turner library claims to have a copy. Also, there are the Ham Hamilton Comedies that he appeared in. I am not sure which ones they were, only that Duke himself said that he did work on some as an extra back in the 20's. Most of Hamilton's films are gone.
      Colorado Bob
      "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them" It may be time worn, but it's the best life-creed I know.