Free Classic Movies online from Google Video

To the best of my knowledge, McLintock is a Batjac movie and not for free public viewing. Posting these here for viewing could be violating copyright laws. I know it has had about 18 distribution companies but to put in for free viewing... Google has been hammering the other forum like they do when they find a new site. I don't know about posting the movies. I guess that's Kevin's call.

Google is allowing people to upload videos and then posting them much like YouTube does. That should be an interesting lawsuit. Half these movies are not public domain. Their top 100 are all porno movies or clips.

Just my opinion... since they are uploaded by other people, they could have viruses or who knows what. I wouldn't trust them personally.

I suspect that almost all of the real early movies of John Wayne, up until his B westerns, have probably lapsed their copyright. I think it would be very interesting if folks from the message board here, that have these hard to come by videos, were to upload them at either Google or YouTube Then we could link each movie to it's respective thread on this message board.
Because of the countless hours Keith has spent setting up the different movie forums, this would not be as daunting a task. It would be a definite positive addition to the board.

Chester

I would have to say that I would probably be in the top 5 of people that have the largest collection of his movies (not the TV shows or any specials) and all of them I either bought or recorded to DVD. Every idiot and pervert out there puts stuff on YouTube and now Google is getting into it. They are using the same excuse Napster did, that they are not liable for what their members do. YouTube has had several challenges and is forced every so often to remove items from their site. If this is something you all wanted to do I suggest you do it yourselves and not use Google or YouTube as storage areas. You'll draw in every nutcase out there that wants to create one of those BT sites. Plus even though a movie might be public domain that doesn't mean the music isn't still protected. The RIAA has made it their mission to keep protected as much music as possible to stop this sort of free releasing of old movies. Then the MPAA is the other bad guy, they are the ones suing 12 year old children for downloading movies and filing lawsuits for thousands of dollars for copyright infringement.

Taking a DVD and converting it to a typical .avi (Audio Video Interleave) format which can then be put on as small as a CD is fairly simply with the right software. Along with the knowledge of encoding ratio's and conversion techniques. You not only have to have the software that does the conversion but you need the software that breaks the several layers of protection on a DVD. There is Digital Audio Protection, Region or RCE Coding, Analog Protection, Copyright Protection (CSS/CPPM), Structure Protection, Macrovision Protection and now the new Blu-Ray Protection.

Once you get past all that, then you have to figure out the correct conversion ratio depending on the length of the movie, the type of audio (Mono, 2 ch, 6 ch), then the format (full or widescreen) and even subtitles you might be dealing with in so many languages. After you get through all that you may have anywhere from 2 - 5 hours tied up in it. It's not as simply as just copying the vob files from a DVD because they are locked up tighter than my Granny's chastity belt. And to top it all off, if you want it done properly and good enough for viewing you will have to pay for some of the software. The cheap freeware and shareware will give you too many limitations and then never get the job done right.

I guess to finish up I would add this. Public domain movies are still being decided even today. It was said for awhile that any movie made prior to 1963 had become public domain but then came the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. But then you also have the Copyright Act of 1976 (Pub. L. 94-553). Most of John Wayne's movies fall under the Copyright Act of 1909 which allowed for works to be copyrighted for a period of 28 years from the date of publication, renewable once for a second 28-year term. The Copyright Act of 1976 superseded the old Act but only for works created after 1976. So for the most part movies created by John Wayne are probably protected for 56 years from their date of release. Which would mean any movie made after 1951 is still protected unless Wayne Enterprises has released it officially. And truthfully I don't know which ones are released that way. He did make about 115 movies prior to 1951 so who knows. Lets take The Fighting Kentuckian, it was released to DVD in 2001 exactly 52 years after it was released. When they released it to DVD they re-copyrighted the movie by re-releasing it thereby re-protecting the movie. Are we all totally confused yet. So everytime they decided to re-release a movie liek the ones that came out on May 21st for his 100th Birthday, all those movies were re-protected for another who knows how many years.

Dakota Surfer,

So . . . I take it you're not volunteering .

Obviously, what we see happening in the past few months is happening so fast that it is the wave of the future. With the momentum, I doubt seriously a trainload of lawyers is going to be able to stop it. So what I'm saying is that we should take advantage of the technology while we are able. Naturally, this is something Kevin would have the final say over, since ultimately he would be on the receiving end of any lawsuits.

Another thing having the old, hard-to-get videos on our site might do is bring the prices down, which is good for the consumer.

Chester

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Dakota Surfer,

So . . . I take it you're not volunteering .

Obviously, what we see happening in the past few months is happening so fast that it is the wave of the future. With the momentum, I doubt seriously a trainload of lawyers is going to be able to stop it. So what I'm saying is that we should take advantage of the technology while we are able. Naturally, this is something Kevin would have the final say over, since ultimately he would be on the receiving end of any lawsuits.

Another thing having the old, hard-to-get videos on our site might do is bring the prices down, which is good for the consumer.

Chester

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I don't exactly want to spend the rest of my life in jail or go bankrupt from the fines involved. I've seen sites go down in and out of our country for doing what seems to be happening. It's not pretty. The MPAA is working with different countries to stop these sites. One guy I knew, had a knock on his door, they walked in, cleaned out his house of all the computers and he's having to pay over $50,000 in fines. Another site, all the staff were notified to cease and desist or face lawsuits over $100,000 each. It may be a growing thing right now but it wouldn't take much for the MPAA to shut it down. They are working internationally and shutting down sites right and left. They thought Napster was untouchable since it was so big but look what happened. They nailed Napster and now they have to charge fees and pay royalties. They also passed the NET law. (3 years in prison and/or $250,000 fines) Plus a site can be held civilly liable.

I'd love to spread Duke to those who want to see him but the price could be too high. Google and YouTube are playing with fire. A site like Kevin's I'd hate to think what could happen. Simply allowing those links to Google on the site can be considered criminal. I was a member of a site, actually I was staff, one of our members broke the rules and posted an old copy of Windows ME, we each in a matter of a few days got emails from Microsoft giving us an ultimatum. We removed the software, banned the members and I left the site. Sites like that have what we call studio hackers or spies on them. Microsoft has people roaming the Internet and their only job is looking for these sites. You wouldn't believe how many sites are out there and it does nothing for the prices.

Advances in technology also make it easier for Big Brother to keep his eye on naughty people.

But I was always taught to share... BB is stingy. Speaking of BB... is anyone watching the Showtime 2 episodes everynight of BB-8? Something different although mostof the people this year sound like airheads, eye candy, jocks and flamming.

Well it is not as hard as you make it sound to rip a DVD movie DS. In fact you can get whatever you need to rip a movie for free and the quality is just as good as the original. Is it worth it to me, no. But I have seen it done and it does work. If a movie is good enough for me to rip it then it is good enough for me to buy it and have the extras, if not then I just rent it and never watch it again.

When I've ripped them I make them DVD quality with all the extras and so they fit on DVD's not CD's. There is free software but it doesn't even match the quality of the good software. You can definitely tell the difference. I use AutoGK and FairUse Wizard 2 and neither of those are free. If your doing it to just make a copy with DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter and ImgTool then yes your right all the software is free except to read the DVD in which you need AnyDVD by Slysoft to break the codes and that is not free. To rip them to put them on here in small file sizes would take some doing. I've done over 200 DVD's and 1.4 TB of data transfer.

What I have seen used is DVD Fab HD decrypter. It is free and the quality is fantastic. They have updates all the time that are free for any new encryptions that come out. There latest decrypts HD DVD and Blu-Ray. I don't have any HD movies so I cannot say if it is as good with them compared to regular DVD's/ Like I said though, if the movie is good enough I buy it, I might wait 6 months for the price to drop. but I buy it.

I tried that one some time back and just wasn't impressed with the conversion at least the types of conversions that I do. If you like it and it's watchable then it works for you. And I do some converting of TV HD shows.

Yeah, I wish I had DVR on my HD receiver. Darn Direct TV anyways!!!

I thought Direct TV had HDTV? I have cable because I'm not a dish fan of any company. I can't get local channels. And I get about a dozen or more HD channels especially some HD movie channels. I also get my local CBS, ABC and NBC in HD. Only Fox still broadcasts in regular digital.

Hi

Far from being an expert I think that reading the arguements fore and against alhough there are some brilliant titles there i think its best to avoid them like the plague.

Regards

Arthur

We only swayed a bit off topic when we talked about how the movies were pulled from the DVD's and eventually placed on these sites like Google. You select the video someone doesn't put in a DVD, someone has already taken a DVD and done what we were talking about, converting it to another video format so we were simply diving into the specifics in creating what your watching. But what I originally felt was that these videos on Google and a couple other sites that are doing it could be a problem if they were not proven to be public domain. Google is not sitting there and checking every movie that's uploaded by their members, so there is nothing to prove that some members may be uploading copyrighted movies and by putting the links on this site I felt is was putting Kevin and the site at risk. You can't say for sure all those links are actually public domain movies.

Unfortunately if McLintock was never appealed the GoodTimes company puts out crappy DVD's. I've tossed 5 of them that were very poorly made. Not worth the money I spent on them.

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Hi

Far from being an expert I think that reading the arguements fore and against alhough there are some brilliant titles there i think its best to avoid them like the plague.

Regards

Arthur

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Arthur, your a wise man beyond your years, and I completely agree with you. I try to buy only what I know I will like and im not risking getting into anykind of trouble--not that I need more than I have. ;-)) I have been approached by several people who know people who can get whatever movie by any means--but--I have yet to like anything they have anyway. Most of the time, I already have what they have on dvd anyway

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I thought Direct TV had HDTV? I have cable because I'm not a dish fan of any company. I can't get local channels. And I get about a dozen or more HD channels especially some HD movie channels. I also get my local CBS, ABC and NBC in HD. Only Fox still broadcasts in regular digital.

Oh I have HDTV, just not with DVR. They came out with that about 2 months after I got my HDTV receiver. But to upgrade to a HDTV one with DVR, they want another $300. After my obligation is up next March I am going to tell them where they can stick there constant need to upgrade for money campaign!!!

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Oh I have HDTV, just not with DVR. They came out with that about 2 months after I got my HDTV receiver. But to upgrade to a HDTV one with DVR, they want another $300. After my obligation is up next March I am going to tell them where they can stick there constant need to upgrade for money campaign!!!

Good thing about cable, we don't have to buy the equipment and the fees don't amount to much. It would be two years before it cost me $300 for their box and the good thing is it's under a constant sort of warranty. My cable just got broadband Internet so I may have to try that too at 10Mps.