Senate bill s.1317 trying to take away our guns

Thanks for thi notice. And I firmely belive that Duke would be fully against that stupid bill. We NEED to vote these freaks outta office.

Also, the last gun I bought was a WWII German Walther P-38. I had my background checked by the ATF/FBI Gents who were at the show. I was able to take my pistol home the next day. They said the reason I had to wait a day was because of the time of day that I bought the pistol-which wa pretty late that Sat afternoon ;-)) It made me feel good to have it official that my background was squeaky clean ;-))

That was back I think in 2000? and I have not been in any trouble since then either-cept for a few traffic tickets-and nothing major at that.

Anyway, im fully against that bill as it would only be the beginning of a huge slide downhill.

I might add, that that purchase was the last purchase I made of a weapon thatfires. I just bought a replica of a WWII German submachinegun-the MP-40. This one cant be made to fre anything but sertain things do work on it-like detachable 32 rd magazine, folding stock, trigger and charging handle works etc. I WISH I could afford a real one-those are usually listed for around $25,000-which is about $24,000 outta my price range.

I really do feel for you. I had a friend who lived in Oxford, and he lived there all his life and can't stand being in the state. Hes a republican.

To us in the UK this will appear as "what is the problem" as we have had strict firearms legislation for very many years. Even realistic imitation firearms (of a modern design) are now prohibited from manufacture, import and/or sale since 1 January 2007.

In the US you have had this freedom for a very long time and the threat of losing it can be traumatic. I do not say that in any light-hearted way.

I carried a gun in London as a police officer from the early 1970's and for most of my service. Even with our strict legislation I dealt with incidents on a weekly basis. Now, even with more strict legislation there are more exchanges than ever (shots fired). It is not difficult getting a real working gun in the UK, illegally.

This does suggest that legislation does not work. The best you can possibly achieve in the US will be some form of registration (which already exists in some form), but anything more will require an enormous task force, and there are more important things to do with homeland security than that.

Bob

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It is not difficult getting a real working gun in the UK, illegally.

This does suggest that legislation does not work.

The best you can possibly achieve in the US will be some form of registration (which already exists in some form)

Bob

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We American gun enthusiasts have a saying, Bob, that "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". There's a lotta truth in that because as we know, criminals don't obey laws - that's why they're criminals.

As for gun registration, we're also opposed to that because if the so-called authorities know where the guns are, it's very easy for them to come to your location and confiscate your weapons.

The right of Americans to own guns was written into our Constitution for one reason and one reason only - that's because an armed citizenry can prevent the imposition of a tyrannical government.

I personally think people throughout the world should have the right to be armed. If for no other reason than to prevent dictators from assuming power and to protect one's self from the many predators who prey on unarmed people. A good example was the English farmer (forgot his name) who shot the thugs who broke into his home for purposes of burglary. I thought it was outrageous that British law prosecuted the man.

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To us in the UK this will appear as "what is the problem" as we have had strict firearms legislation for very many years. Even realistic imitation firearms (of a modern design) are now prohibited from manufacture, import and/or sale since 1 January 2007.

In the US you have had this freedom for a very long time and the threat of losing it can be traumatic. I do not say that in any light-hearted way.

I carried a gun in London as a police officer from the early 1970's and for most of my service. Even with our strict legislation I dealt with incidents on a weekly basis. Now, even with more strict legislation there are more exchanges than ever (shots fired). It is not difficult getting a real working gun in the UK, illegally.

This does suggest that legislation does not work. The best you can possibly achieve in the US will be some form of registration (which already exists in some form), but anything more will require an enormous task force, and there are more important things to do with homeland security than that.

Bob

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Hi bob, I heard froma few good friends of mine who live in the UK, that you cant now even get non-guns there. I just bought a "german" MP-40 Submachinegun. No worries to anyone-you can't make this baby fire even air. But, this think is all-metal and can still crack open someonew skull if you used it as a club ;-)) Seriously though, I stay away from stuff like this but needed a WWII German SMG for a display im making which is many years in the works and still a few years from completion.

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The best you can possibly achieve in the US will be some form of registration (which already exists in some form)

In the states, it's possible to acquire just about any kind of weapon you want without registering it but for certain types, such as full-auto, it's best to get a Class III license from our federal ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms) people. That's so if you do get caught with a full auto weapon, at least you're legal. I have a Class III license and 5 fully automatic weapons. Rock'n'Roll, Baby.

With the price of ammo these days, it's prudent to slow down to a Waltz.

Chester

P.S. Last week, I started working for Front Sight, . . . Come on Down!

Ringo, on 1st January 2007 a new piece of legislation came out in the UK because of the high powered air guns that were on sale in the UK. It was called the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. These high powered air guns were capable of killing and needed no licence, so they did not come under the Firearms Act as it was at the time.

Some radical politicians, such as the mayor of London at the time said "..if it looks like a gun then it should be banned."

The VCRA prohibited the manufacture, importation and sale of any "realistic imitation firearm of modern design". That meant anything that had a mechanism designed after 1870. (yes, 1870).

You will no longer find any kids toys that look like any WW1 or WW2 firearms, but you will see kids toy guns that look like early cowboy guns. One of the exceptions is if the colour of the gun is as set out in the exemptions section of the Act (red, yellow, blue etc).

The problem it sets up for JW collectors in the UK is with the Franklin Mint commemorative guns they issued in the late 1980s. If you bought them before the Act came in then ownership is OK, but you cannot buy or import at least one of them now, that is the 1911 A1 Service Automatic 45. I am not sure about the rifle and revolver, it depends if the mechanism predates 1870. In the picture you will see the 1911 Colt is not the FM one but the real one.

I did not buy the 1911 one but have one in my son's appartment in California and cannot get it into the UK.

This is the really stupid thing. You can buy a deactivated (real) 1911 Colt A1 automatic 45 without any sort of licence.

If I saw two people in the street and one was pointing a 1911 Colt with 'John Wayne' and other writing in gold down the side at me, and the other had a plain black Colt, I would shoot the one with the plain black one.

None of the legislation is reducing the problem. Perhaps if we all carried guns (overtly) as in the US then maybe there would be a reduction, as the bad guys would just get shot. Not a bad thing as it means no cost to the taxpayer for keeping them in jail.

Bob

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Perhaps if we all carried guns (overtly) as in the US then maybe there would be a reduction, as the bad guys would just get shot. Not a bad thing as it means no cost to the taxpayer for keeping them in jail.

Bob

Several studies have shown that states with concealed carry laws have considerably lower crime rates than those that try to control guns. The reason being, naturally, that would-be predators don't want to mess with would-be victims who might pull out a gun and blow them away.

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ALMOST ALWAYS they say "I never thought of it that way"

Yeah, that's what they always say.

Hi Bob, that figures. A few have to ruin it for all Theres still plenty of room here in Texas-if you get tired of the nonsense going on? ;-))

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Hi bob, I heard froma few good friends of mine who live in the UK, that you cant now even get non-guns there. I just bought a "german" MP-40 Submachinegun. No worries to anyone-you can't make this baby fire even air. But, this think is all-metal and can still crack open someonew skull if you used it as a club ;-)) Seriously though, I stay away from stuff like this but needed a WWII German SMG for a display im making which is many years in the works and still a few years from completion.

Where did you find one of those and how much did it cost Ringo?

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Where did you find one of those and how much did it cost Ringo?

Here's one place, Todd. But there are dozens of others.

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Where did you find one of those and how much did it cost Ringo?

Hi Too, I got mine for $249.99 + P&H. Oh and, I forgot to mention its just an all-metal reproduction which has moving parts. This is a non-gun-whichn I normally stay away from but I needed an MP-40 to go along with my German Artillery Majors uniform im slowly completing.

These can be bought through Alden and Janet Hamilton @ www.blackcrossmilitaria.com These are the most accurate of these repos on the net and this is the cheapest price you will find for an all-metal MP-40. Also, most on the repo market have plastic parts in them-the one im getting does not.

Now as for a "real" and live-firing MP-40, I know two guys who have one-one wants about $21,000 for his-which needs a few parts replaced in irder for it to fire-and the other guy wants $25,000 for his-which does fire but has a weak spring in it.

I was thinking of making a swap deal with the guy who has the one for $25,000-but i'd have to give up most of my German collection in order to get it and I don't know if I could let myself do that? ;-))

Anyway, go to bklack cross mil-to the repo section and I think photos of it are still posted in repo page 4. I've bought from Alden and Janet numerous times since 1997, and never had any problems with anything I got from them. They are great to deal with whether you want reap or repo and whether you want German or US or British stuff ;-))

BTW, they also are offering great examples of Walther P-38s and Lugers-for from about $69.909 to I think about $165.00?? These repos are the best quality i have ever seen which is why I broke my own rule and got one ;-))

Just checked the site above and looked at their MP-40 for sale. Theirs has that stupid orange or red-tipped barrell, mine does not ;-)) Also, their is one of thoose which has some plastic parts in it-mine is all metal-and theirs costs at least $100.00 more than mine does ;-))

Your best bet for an MP-40 just like mie is to get it through Alden and Janet.

However, I might be calling these people up and inquiring how much they want for a blank-firing MP-40-which I have always wanted. If its more than $450.00? its too much.

Cool website, thanks.

Hi Todd, Stumpies or the BCMC site? ;-))