The Cowboys (1972)

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    • The Cowboys (1972)



      Photo with the courtesy of Gorch

      Plot Summary
      When his cattle drivers abandon him for the gold fields, rancher Wil Andersen is forced to take on a collection of young boys
      as his drivers in order to get his herd to market in time to avoid financial disaster.
      The boys learn to do a man's job under Andersen's tutelage, however, neither Andersen nor the boys know that a gang of cattle thieves is stalking them.
      Summary written by Jim Beaver

      Full Cast
      John Wayne .... Wil Andersen
      Roscoe Lee Browne .... Jedediah Nightlinger
      Bruce Dern .... Asa Watts (segment "Long Hair")
      Colleen Dewhurst .... Mrs. Kate Collingwood
      Alfred Barker Jr. .... Clyde 'Singing Fats' Potter
      Nicolas Beauvy .... Dan/Four Eyes
      Steve Benedict .... Steve
      Robert Carradine .... Charles 'Slim' Honeycutt
      Norman Howell .... Cowboy #1 (Weedy) (as Norman Howell Jr.)
      Stephen R. Hudis .... Charlie Schwartz (as Stephen Hudis)
      Sean Kelly .... Stuttering Bob Wilson
      A Martinez .... Cimarron
      Clay O'Brien .... Hardy Fimps
      Sam O'Brien .... Jimmy Phillips
      Mike Pyeatt .... Homer Weems
      Slim Pickens .... Anse Petersen
      Lonny Chapman .... Preacher
      Charles Tyner .... Mr. Jenkins
      Sarah Cunningham .... Annie Andersen
      Allyn Ann McLerie .... Ellen Price
      Maggie Costain .... Phoebe
      Matt Clark .... Smiley
      Jerry Gatlin .... Howard
      Walter Scott .... Okay
      Richard Farnsworth .... Henry Williams
      Wallace Brooks .... Red Tucker
      Charise Cullin .... Elizabeth
      Collette Poeppel .... Rosemary
      Norman Howell Sr. .... Jim's father
      Rita Hudis .... Charlie's mother
      Margaret Kelly .... Stuttering Bob's mother
      Larry Randles .... Ben
      Larry Finley .... Jake
      Jim Burk .... Pete
      Fred Brookfield .... Rustler
      Tap Canutt .... Rustler
      Chuck Courtney .... Rustler
      Gary Epper .... Rustler
      Tony Epper .... Rustler
      Kent Hays .... Rustler
      J.R. Randall .... Rustler
      Henry Wills .... Rustler
      Joe Yrigoyen .... Rustler

      Writing Credits
      William Dale Jennings (novel)
      Irving Ravetch (screenplay) &
      Harriet Frank Jr. (screenplay) and
      William Dale Jennings (screenplay)

      Original Music
      John Williams

      Robert Surtees (director of photography)

      Floyd Baze .... stunt double (uncredited)
      Fred Brookfield .... stunts (uncredited)
      Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
      Tap Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
      Bill Catching .... stunts (uncredited)
      Chuck Courtney .... stunts (uncredited)
      Gary Epper .... stunts (uncredited)
      Tony Epper .... stunts (uncredited)
      Jerry Gatlin .... stunts (uncredited)
      Kent Hays .... stunts (uncredited)
      Robert 'Buzz' Henry .... stunts (uncredited)
      Walt La Rue .... stunts (uncredited)
      Glenn Randall Jr. .... stunts (uncredited)
      J.R. Randall .... stunts (uncredited)
      Larry Randles .... stunts (uncredited)
      Chuck Roberson .... stunt double: John Wayne (uncredited)
      Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
      Walter Scott .... stunts (uncredited)
      Casey Tibbs .... stunts (uncredited)
      Buddy Van Horn .... stunts (uncredited)
      Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)
      Walter Wyatt .... stunts (uncredited)
      Joe Yrigoyen .... stunts (uncredited)

      Mark Rydell originally sought George C. Scott for the role of Wil Andersen because he despised John Wayne's views on the Vietnam War and other aspects of U.S. foreign policy. Ironically, some critics in 1972 believed that the way in which Wayne's character drafts the children out of school was a pro-war allegory for Vietnam.

      John Wayne actually pleaded with the director Mark Rydell to allow him to play Wil Anderson.

      Roscoe Lee Browne was urged by his friends not to work with the right-wing John Wayne. He ignored them and the two actors refrained from discussing politics during filming.

      Richard Farnsworth plays a member of Asa Watts's gang, one of the first roles in which his face is actually seen on screen. Farnsworth had been a stuntman and extra since the 1930s.

      The film debut of Robert Carradine.

      The poem read in the school, starting 'Hail to thee blithe spirit/ Bird thou never wert/ ...', is 'To A Skylark' by Percy Bysshe Shelley

      SPOILER: Shortly after the film's release, Bruce Dern received death threats for his character killing John Wayne by shooting him in the back.

      SPOILER: When John Wayne informed Bruce Dern that Dern's character would shoot Wayne's, he told Dern that audiences would hate him for it. Dern responded by saying, "Yeah, but they'll sure love me in Berkeley."

      * Revealing mistakes: After burying Charlie Schwartz, he walks by in the next scene on his horse while Cimmaron and Mr. Anderson talk.

      * Factual errors: On the DVD special features, images of Sarah Cunningham (as Annie Anderson) are used in the "Cast & Crew" information for Colleen Dewhurst.

      * Revealing mistakes: When Mr. Anderson is tying up Crazy Alice for the cowboys to ride, the horse changes from a dark-maned horse to one with a lighter brown mane.

      * Revealing mistakes: When Mr. Anderson is branding the calf during roundup, he only touches the iron to the calf once even though the brand on other livestock clearly shows two distinct O's. Before he brands the calf, one can clearly see that the iron is a single O.

      * Revealing mistakes: It appears that the Double O ranch has two different brands. During roundup and later in the film, the cattle wear a brand of two distinct O's separated by about 12 inches. In the scene before they start the drive, one of the horses appears to have a brand consisting of two Os connected horizontally. This brand should be the same as the brand the cattle wear. In addition, the connected Os might be called a lazy 8.

      * Continuity: In the scene where Anderson sends one of the boys back to find Mr. Nightlinger, Anderson is riding a pale Appaloosa. He rides ahead to talk to another boy, but is now riding a red sorrel.

      * Continuity: In the schoolroom, John Wayne wipes the blackboard with his right jacket sleeve. When he leaves the schoolroom, there is no chalk on his sleeve.

      * Plot holes: When Mr. Andersen is in the school, he puts a mark for Belle Fouche, SD on the board. He states his ranch is here, 400 miles away, and he draws a line headed NW of Belle Fouche. This would place him about Lewistown, MT. It is doubtful that Mr. Andersen would travel 400 miles to Belle Fouche, when Bozeman and Billings are both much closer, and in dire need of beef. The first big herd of cattle didn't come to MT until after the war (1866) so there was no way that they would have taken them east to send them further east.

      Memorable Quotes

      Filming Locations
      Bonanza Creek Ranch - 15 Bonanza Creek Lane, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Buckskin Joe Frontier Town & Railway - 1193 Fremont County Road 3A, Canon City, Colorado, USA
      Castle Rock, Colorado, USA
      Chama, New Mexico, USA
      Eaves Movie Ranch - 105 Rancho Alegre Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
      Galisteo, New Mexico, USA
      Laramie Street, Warner Brothers Burbank Studios - 4000 Warner Boulevard, Burbank, California, USA
      Pagosa Springs, Colorado, USA
      San Cristobal Ranch - 90 San Cristobal Ranch Road, Lamy, New Mexico, USA
      Stages 12,18 & 19 Warner Brothers Burbank Studios - 4000 Warner Boulevard, Burbank, California

      Watch this Trailer

      Best Wishes
      London- England

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    • The Cowboys is a 1972 Western motion picture starring Duke,
      Roscoe Lee Browne, Slim Pickens, A Martinez
      and Bruce Dern.
      Robert Carradine makes his film debut with fellow child actor Stephen R. Hudis.
      It was filmed at various locations in New Mexico, Colorado
      and at Warner Brothers Studio in Burbank, California.
      Based on the novel by William Dale Jennings, the screenplay
      was written by Irving Ravetch, Harriet Frank, Jr., and Jennings, and directed by Mark Rydell

      Not a great film, but not a bad one either.
      Generally accepted by our members, has being probably the most violent
      of all Duke's films.This apart it would have made a good family film.
      One of few, were Duke gets killed, boo, hoo!!

      Duke now familiar in his mature person role, without love stories,
      he was looking more convincing than ever.
      Now filling the father image role, to perfection, he was looking comfortable,
      in these later films.

      Bruce Dern, was just brilliant as 'Long Hair', and became the most hated man in the world!
      and Roscoe, was fantastic as Jebadiah.
      With fine performances, from Coleen,and all the boys,
      particularly Clay O'Brien, who later went on to star in Cahill

      It made for a very enjoyable film.
      Besides the film opening to poor attendances,
      reviews were favourable,

      Rex Reed, of The New York Daily News wrote,
      All the forces that have made John Wayne a dominant ,personality
      as well as a major screen prescence, seem to combine in an unusual way,
      providing him with the best role of his career.

      Old Dusty britches can act

      User Review
      The best of the Duke for everyone
      14 March 2005 | by George Mussman (GEM-20) (Washington State)

      Obviously, John Wayne had a long and distinguished career in the movies. Of course, he was merely playing himself time after time. In this movie, that works wonderfully well.

      He plays Wil Anderson, a man in his 60s with little else he can do but hire a classroom of boys to help with a cattle drive. This makes for a fun outing for anyone in any age group. Roscoe Lee Browne is well cast here. His scene with Colleen Dewhurst is very well played. Bruce Dern is great, too!

      My son, who is a big fan of "Star Wars" and "Indiana Jones", pointed out the John Williams music in "The Cowboys"; it is very good indeed.

      "The Cowboys" is my choice for the movie to introduce people to John Wayne. It definitely makes you want to see more! Out of four stars, I rate it: ***.5
      Best Wishes
      London- England

      The post was edited 6 times, last by ethanedwards ().

    • The Cowboys is a brilliant movie a rights of passage movie with Duke as the boss leading a band of teenage cowboys on their first cattle trail.
      It is significantly different from his usual releases around this period but is better for it.
      It is a violent movie with a sad ending in that Bruce Dern kills the John Wayne character.

      When I first saw this movie I remember it being a longer film with the boys swearing more and being definitely more brutal. I don’t know whether it has been sanitised or re edited by the studio to allow it to be screened on TV.

      The DVD print matches what is currently seen on TV. I know Colleen Dewhurst and the girls had a bigger role in the movie which was cut before went to the cinema.

      John Wayne felt so bad that most of Colleen scenes were cut that he promised her another role in a later film which turned out to be Mc Q.

      Another gripe is the DVD print of this movie. Most DVD prints cause no complaints as they originate from good masters or have been cleaned up before release. This film I thought looked grainy and some wear was evident. Also, there are no extras such as a promo or documentary available.

      I would hope that a special edition will be released at some point in the future.

    • Hi,
      I have this documentary, and it's very interesting.
      Good shots of Duke, being interviewed.
      It also explains, that half the 'Cowboys' were from
      western, wrangling, type families
      and the other half were actors, brought up in the city.
      The two groups, had to teach other, the respective skills.
      Good interviews with the director.
      Overall a documentary worth seeing.

      Best Wishes
      London- England
    • Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Jan 26 2006, 07:25 PM
      Hi Senta

      You are right there is a documentary. What did you think of DVD quality?


      Hi Mike,
      It is not as good as I expected. But anyway I'm glad that I have this disc. I have heard that 1 zone discs are always better.
    • Hi Senta

      Yes, hopefully at some point there may be a remastered version released or at least one that looks better. I will hold on to mine until then.

      Apparently, Fort Apache when first released on DVD was really awful. Even the video was better in terms of quality. I have it as of part of the boxed set of John Ford/John Wayne films and whilst it is okay it not that great.

      On another note I have a bootleg copy of Stagecoach which came from Far East which is better quality than the official release in this set.

      It would be interesting to have a thread reviewing quality of DVDs and what extras come with them.

    • Originally posted by ethanedwards@Jan 26 2006, 02:12 AM
      [b]Memorable Quotes  
      Jebediah Nightlinger: I regret trifling with married women, I'm thoroughly ashamed at cheating at cards, I deplore my occasional departures from the truth.  Forgive me for taking your name in vain, my Saturday drunkenness, my Sunday Sloth.  Above all, forgive me for the men I've killed in anger, and those I am about to...


      One of our favorite memorable quotes from this movie, along with "We're burnin' daylight!"

      Originally posted by ethanedwards+Jan 26 2006, 02:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ethanedwards @ Jan 26 2006, 02:15 AM)</div>
      Generally accepted by our members, has being probably the most violent
      of all Duke's films.  This apart it would have made a good family film.
      One of few, were Duke gets killed, boo, hoo!!
      Duke now familiar in his mature person role, without love stories,
      he was looking more convincing than ever.
      Now filling the father image role, to perfection, he was looking comfortable,
      in these later films.
      Bruce Dern, was just brilliant as 'Long Hair', and became the most hated man in the world!
      and Roscoe, was fantastic as Jedediah.

      I agree with most of your assessment of the film, except for folks considering it the most violent. Not looking for any kind of argument here, but I think Big Jake wins out for that dubious distinction. However, the despicable way in which Long Hair kills John Wayne's character (shooting him in the back) definitely takes first place for worst way in which Duke's character died in any movie, and is very upsetting to watch for some.

      @Jan 26 2006, 04:24 AM
      The Cowboys is a brilliant movie a  rights of passage movie with Duke as the boss leading a band of teenage cowboys on their first cattle trail.

      I haven't seen this movie for awhile, but if memory serves me correctly, many of the boys were very young, maybe 11 or 12, with few teenagers in the bunch. They were definitely boys, which is one of the things that lends to the poignancy of the film.

      Deep Discount DVD carries both the movie by itself, as well as part of the John Wayne Signature Collection. Either way, the documentary you describe above is included.

      Amazon also has the individual DVD, with the documentary.

      Chester :newyear:
    • I noticed are selling a new version of The Cowboys.

      Has anybody got a copy and are there any more details on the deleted scene that is included?

      John Wayne has brawled bare-knuckled, gunned down desperadoes, fought jungle wars and piloted the skies. But 'The Cowboys' gives him one of his juiciest roles as a leather-tough rancher who, deserted by his regular help, hires eleven greenhorn schoolboys for a cattle drive across 400 treacherous miles.

      When the dust settles, Wayne gives one of his best performances. In The Cowboys, Rex Reed wrote, "All the forces that have made him a dominant personality as well as a major screen presence seem to combine. Old Dusty Britches can act." Co-starring the equally memorable Roscoe Lee Browne, Colleen Dewhurst and Bruce Dern, 'The Cowboys' is exciting proof.

      This version, never before released in the UK, includes a previously deleted scene.
      :huh: :huh:
    • Hi Keith

      HMV gives this synopis

      This version, never before released in the UK, includes the previously cut scene where Wayne is shot in the stomach.

      Running time of my existing DVD is 128 minutes

      IMDB Database give 131 minutes yet this version says 133 minutes which is 5 minutes more than original release.

      It is also same cover as USA Region 1 release.

      I wonder is print and sound better?

    • Mike thanks,
      Yes it appears, most documentation lists 128 mins,
      although, my old VHS version is 121 mins.
      So if the deleted scene, is as you say,
      it means we all have to suffer Duke dying for 5 minutes longer!!
      Oh dear, I don't know whether, we'll be able to stand that!!!!

      Best Wishes,
      Best Wishes
      London- England

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